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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jean Stein so Chris my friend

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isn't it interesting on last week's show

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you and I were talking about the recent

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appearance from Andrew Calvin the author

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of the mouth man speaks and the para

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cast and we said there were no messages

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in our forms within hours as I mentioned

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in an update to the show that you went

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into the parrot cafe yes and some

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critical some not so critical but Andy

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Calvin is in there and he's punching

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away he is being very forthright about

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his opinions and about his reasons

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behind his opinions so it's a really

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fascinating presentation but sometimes

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it's a lade reaction yeah I invite all

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our listeners to tune in Borana para

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Capcom and I know there's gonna be a lot

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of response to this one we've already

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had listeners asking questions of our

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guest Peter Robbins who's an

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investigative writer known for his

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connection with the UFO field he's a

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founding member an advisory board member

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of the intruders foundation which of

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course was run by the lake bud Hopkins

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and we've had him on the show in

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connection with that book he did called

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left at Eastgate

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which covers Rendlesham forest and we'll

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get into more about renders from forest

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later on the show what we know today

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maybe has any of the information that's

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been released by the Ministry of Defense

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in the UK has that helped us learning

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more about Rendlesham but now let's talk

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about Budd Hopkins and as I said in the

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brief eulogy I did I didn't know about

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all that well never met him talked to

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him on the phone a couple of times had

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some email exchanges always a gentleman

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really pleasant guy tell us about Budd

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Hopkins Peter Robbins and how you came

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to know him well good to be back on the

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show guys

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although a bit somber this time around

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but passed away on August 21st finally

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succumbing to liver cancer on top of

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health complications and those of us

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that knew him and loved and listened

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very much I guess in a way I'm one of

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the most fortunate people because we

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were friends for such a long time and he

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was a an esteemed colleague a mentor I

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worked for the foundation actually at

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one specific point when they were able

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to pay me eight dollars an hour and then

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for many years as a volunteer so

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basically you're getting the same salary

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as all those people they've added to the

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employment roles in Texas well exactly

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but I chose to work at that rate because

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it was an honor and a privilege and

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making a little doing some other things

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also I guess our biggest connection

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besides the obvious is that we met when

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we were both painters my career was kind

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of eclipsed by working in theater

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management and going on to I guess what

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I'm best known for is a writer and we

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first met in early 1976 35 years ago the

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circumstances this could fill a whole

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show so I'll do it as lively as I can

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the year before a series of events

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triggered the return of what I can only

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describe as a repressed memory from

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childhood something I simply had not

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been able to address when I was 14 years

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old and managed to jam back in my

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subconscious and 14 and a half years

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later came roaring back and what it was

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was a memory of an extraordinarily clear

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UFO sighting over the house my family

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lived in at the time on Long Island New

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York with my sister Helen and after

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discussing it with her and being very

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careful not to tell her what I

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remembered were just setting the scene

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in her coming back with the details that

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I remembered she then began to tell me

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about associated memory she had with

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what we would now say was a classic UFO

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abduction encounter this was 1975

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however and this was completely new to

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me and it was very shocking

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my sister was an honest and decent

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person and certainly not a liar and

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where these details could have come from

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then was quite minimal in any case to

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cut to the chase I my life changed

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overnight and I wanted very much to know

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what had happened to my sister

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as did she and overnight began to

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acquire and read books on the subject

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not very interested in meeting people

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associated with it figured they were all

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out of their mind any adults involved

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with the subject like UFOs would have to

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be and then some the you know some

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months and earlier the following year I

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read an article in New York's Village

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Voice not known for its UFO coverage but

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it was an article on I think what MUFON

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regarded is the best case of the year

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for 1975 it was really well-written

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unlike any of the articles I had seen in

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the previous months and publications

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like the National Enquirer and it was

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written by a New Yorker named Budd

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Hopkins who happened to be a painter and

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whose work I had seen some time before

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at a gallery and I found him in the

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phone book and cold called him and we

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chatted a bit he invited me over and

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this was gosh five years before the

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publication of his first book missing

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time so by the time that happened our

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friendship was fairly well established

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and from there on and off over the

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decades I worked with him in any number

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of ways but we remain very good friend

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even in the last years that we weren't

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working actively together I still was a

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regular contributor to the intruders

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foundation and right now we the Advisory

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Board or gearing up for first meeting

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next month without God to make some

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decisions about the future of this

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important foundation now looking over

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the intruders foundation very briefly is

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this kind of a support center for

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abductees or people who feel they might

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have been abducted you know it's in its

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goals were multiple one was yes to be

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there in any possible sense of the word

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for people who felt they had been

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through this experience many hundreds of

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whom but work with very closely over in

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the years and decades for the first

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Kress to tell you how many years bud

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developed and and we followed up with

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many many support group meetings after a

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fashion the number of people who wanted

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to be involved and who legitimately

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should have been was too big so we broke

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it up into a number of support group

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meetings occasionally with the absolute

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agreement of everybody that would be

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involved a guest mental health

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professional might be long or another

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specific guest everything always

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remained confidential this is in no way

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an attempt to do therapy something a

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word that's very loaded and often tossed

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into this support group meetings are

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just that it was the foundation also has

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this and to educate the public as much

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as possible intruders foundation org is

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the website there's a smattering of

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articles on there right now but I'm

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hoping that one of the things that will

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happen is it's almost hard to explain

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how prolific bud was as a writer and an

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extraordinarily good one at that and

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there are so many papers and letters and

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monographs and responses that he did

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wrote that are worthy of publication and

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for people to see that that may be part

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of what we do in the future

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we've also run for many years now a very

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successful lecture series in New York

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City which we hope to get up and running

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again once the dust settles again as

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well now over the years with all these

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investigations about people who claim to

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have been abducted

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is there any singular threat or do you

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find all sorts of different answers or

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possibilities depending on an

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individual's own experience great

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question for me I'm only 35 years into

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the subject so what do I know I know

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that what we're dealing with is

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phenomenally elusive and at the same

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time that there is now such a powerful

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database built on very real cases and

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many of them although many folks in the

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public have no idea are not only have

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contributing very physical evidences

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in terms of documented like a little

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scoop mark of epidermal tissue that is

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taken immediately cauterizes and it

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often is associated with when little

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Billy went missing from the fourth of

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July picnic through to this implant

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phenomenon these very foreign bodies

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that are found subcutaneously in the

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skin and in places you wouldn't even

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believe sometimes a number of which have

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been extracted and analyzed and multiple

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we witnessed UFO abduction incidents the

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best known of which is witnessed the

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true story of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO

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abductions by Hopkins I want into a lot

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more of that with Peter Robbins you're

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I'm Jean Steinberg the guests as Peter

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Robbins we're talking about the work

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Hopkins about UFO abductions maybe let's

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do a little bit of myth shattering here

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this could be fast answers or sure to

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answers but something to help people

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understand the abduction scenario what

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it means okay so yes or no are all our

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most abductions things that are

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ascertained through hypnotic regression

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absolutely not

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most of them are either remembered

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almost entirely intact very much intact

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or enough pieces that the individual has

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put it together themselves okay the

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cases that use hypnotic regression has

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work been done to assess the value of

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regression there's some controversy over

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that as to whether the act of trying to

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make someone remember a past event may

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have its own complications remain I even

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yield accurate information mmm this is

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indeed considered very controversial in

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a number of areas of study first thing

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to remember here is the intention of the

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individual involved their character

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their motivation and the participation

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of the individual as well what is put

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forward by debunkers and the skeptics

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community is that weak minded people are

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seduced into or somehow find their way

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to charlatans like Hopkins and others

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who for some incredibly neurotic reason

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have this compulsion to convince people

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that they have been abducted by other

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intelligences as trained hypnotists or

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hypnotherapists or regression

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specialists they are then put under and

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led into having false memories put in

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their head to confirm this entirely

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specious nonsense for these crazy people

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like Hopkins these things for me would

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be funny if they weren't so insulting

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I'm not saying that there aren't

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unprincipled people that have used this

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extraordinarily interesting and often

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very valuable tool which again when

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employment applied to this subject let's

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just call it the most controversial

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subject in the world and you know we're

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right up there with them the mantra for

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a lot of thinking people decent people

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who you know are open-minded and the

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like is this can't be there for it isn't

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there for it's something else now what

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can the other things be well you're

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mentally ill you want to feel special

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you could get a kick out of fooling

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people or embarrassing them you are

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somebody who wants to be on The Oprah

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Show you're a disinformation agent of

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some kind etcetera etcetera and dr.

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Wilhelm Reich has a wonderful phrase

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called evasion of the obvious and there

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are certain cases and I would challenge

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anybody to read witness for example or

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intruders and find you no fault in the

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methodology the research of the

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evidences presented hypnotic regression

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and I have to tell you here and I am on

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record with this I was a witness to many

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regressions that were conducted over the

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years specifically because I was

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requested to by a witness who might have

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developed a rapport with me or by bud

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with the consent of the witness Hopkins

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would take up to half an hour to put

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people under I know this from my another

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mentor the late

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Pete Missoula tough no-nonsense New York

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City police detective who was also a

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crack UFO investigator who was so

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respected by NYPD that they allowed him

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to use their voice stress analysis

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technology at John Jay College of

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Criminal Justice uptown to run

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first-generation audio cassettes through

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of people in regression for UFO

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abduction or witnesses to cases when you

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lead you lead away the same way that in

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a polygraph you are asked you know if

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you're wearing a white shirt are you

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wearing a white shirt yes and then

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you're instructed to answer incorrectly

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are you wearing a blue shirt yes they

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get a calibration and they go forward

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from there so how would you do this

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under regression how would you determine

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the accuracy of what the person is

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remembering very simple if they've come

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in with a series of memories or partial

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memories you've established within a

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serious professional

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interview or perhaps - you are working

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with whatever given information you have

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you never leave you set the scene

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you are never suggestive let me restate

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that if you are ever going to ask a

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leading question it is always away from

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the answer that would be the positive

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answer so basically you're trying to

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persuade them to say something other

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than what they want to say okay okay so

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basically saying well okay so the object

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was square shake no no it was really

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round shape where the alien had gray

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hair no he had no hair whatever now let

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me give you an example of the opposite

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and this is important several years back

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I was approached by a gentleman - a

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colleague in the United Kingdom with a

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very responsible job in law enforcement

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who had had these experiences going on

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for his entire life he lived with great

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concern that these would not only be

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found out by his family he seemed unable

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to help because it's such a shattering

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reality for him but more that he would

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certainly lose his credibility as a

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serving law enforcement personnel and

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lose his job he had gone to see a

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hypnotic regression in the United

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Kingdom

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we asked him specifically after that

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first session dime before the first

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session to let us know what he thought

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whether or not he was going to continue

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with him or whether or not he was

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somebody we should never recommend and

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when he completed it

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he contacted myself and my colleague and

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said he seemed very well-meaning he

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takes the subject seriously my problem

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is I think he takes it too seriously in

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that he expressed that he wants to work

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on a book about it and as we were

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getting into the early material and I

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saw something in the sky his question to

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me was what did the spaceship look like

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and at that point even though I was

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under I I really had trouble I I think

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you get my point the point of being -

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leading you don't want to convince

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somebody question of when did you stop

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beating your wife well the other issue

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of course is the accuracy of what you

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remember under hypnotic regression

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assuming all the controls were taken

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here from the first person shirmat in

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the first years I was involved in this

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because my memory to me was shattering

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enough and it was a sighting

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I was regressed by three different

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hypnotists one the detective police

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sergeant trained by the NYPD or took his

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training to do regressive work for

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Criminal Investigation the other by Budd

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and the other by another hypnotist to

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bring me back to when I was 14 it was a

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fascinating experience I feel I can

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speak you know with some authority as

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somebody that's been under well you know

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why don't you give our listeners I think

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a better sense of this very

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life-changing experience that you you

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had actually give us kind of a thumbnail

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sketch of what you know what exactly

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happened I'd be glad to

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it certainly been published and I've

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talked about it over the years but yes

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definitely I was 14 my sister Helen just

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12 we were playing on the front lawn of

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the home in the village we grew up in

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about 30 miles east of New York City

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very idyllic childhood wonderful family

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I had a very happy childhood I think as

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much as anybody can say in two wonderful

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sisters and great parents and we were

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just goofing around in the front yard

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and I have to say it was an absolutely

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beautiful late morning blue sky not a

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cloud and one of those days that people

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in suburban village America know quite

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well with is just nothing going on for

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an extended period of time no ice cream

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man no mailman no kids playing whatever

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I caught something moving out of my

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right peripheral vision is that and

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we'll have to find out what that's out

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of his right peripheral vision in a

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moment with Peter Robbins you're talking

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silvery white disc shaped objects like

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ellipses coming in at a very high rate

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of speed and simply stopping well above

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the house across the street owned by a

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family named Parker and I said one word

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it was either Helen or look and we

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looked and there they were they hung in

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a military kind of V formation depending

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on how big they were they were like

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shining like stainless steel there was

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no question they were metallic again

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there was nothing ambiguous or ethereal

668
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about it and they were close enough that

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we both could clearly see along the

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edges of each disc regular markings that

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were off the color of the metallic look

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that we could only read the way you'd

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see windows you know on a commercial

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aircraft

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well we didn't speak we just looked and

676
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looked and looked and to this day when I

677
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reflect on this I experienced something

678
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I've come to call the checklist

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phenomena and that in several hundred

680
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interviews I've done with people who

681
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have had memorable sightings often they

682
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describe the same phenomena and it goes

683
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something like this it's for they're not

684
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planes helicopter clouds reflections

685
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from the ground

686
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a floating plastic bag well they didn't

687
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have them then we used stone bags

688
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and then at a certain point you hit the

689
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wall and for me at that moment as just I

690
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was a raging adolescent being run by my

691
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hormones and a desire for some cooler

692
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clothes and a girlfriend and I

693
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experienced a moment of what I can only

694
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describe his cosmic loneliness it was

695
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just oh my god I had always intuited

696
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from the adult world these were nonsense

697
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and of course I enjoyed my share of the

698
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movies at the time wonderful black and

699
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whites and now considered classics but

700
00:29:48,250 --> 00:29:45,500
there they were and there were no

701
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appendages no tails no wings no nothing

702
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and in regression it's almost for me

703
00:29:58,270 --> 00:29:56,510
poignant my last words before I get a

704
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sense of what I'm looking at and it's a

705
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phrase I I would not use now but I might

706
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be used his kid was secret government

707
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test planes I'll bet they're some kind

708
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of a secret government test plane that's

709
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funny because people in those years do

710
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you believe that you know that some UFOs

711
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were secret government test points but

712
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let me ask you one quick question that

713
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cut to the chase here okay when you

714
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underwent hypnotic regression did it

715
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bring forth details you weren't

716
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consciously aware of or had not

717
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considered great question literally -

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and they were that before I went

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unconscious during this experience and

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before everything went black and went

721
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blue for a moment and that when I came

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to I was so enraged I I would say for a

723
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split second I felt like killing

724
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somebody and then I I calmed down I I

725
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went into therapy in part because of

726
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this back in the day and I did so with a

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remarkable psychotherapist named

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Ellsworth F Baker if anybody wants to

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assistant of Wilhelm Reich for the last

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eleven years of his life I'm very

733
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involved with Reich's work since I was

734
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19 years old I guess and Baker had had

735
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two sightings of UFOs as well one with

736
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Reich's during cloud busting operations

737
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in the 50s and another over his home in

738
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Red Bank New Jersey and I knew this is

739
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somebody that would not laugh at me I I

740
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wanted desperately to in

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great this feeling of being split off

742
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from the world by knowing or think I

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knew something that you know everybody

744
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else was sleepwalking around but again

745
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in regression I went in to confirm my

746
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memories and discover these two tiny new

747
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memories and what I understand now and

748
00:31:46,899 --> 00:31:44,629
I'm very comfortable with is and my

749
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sister was actually taken when I was

750
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knocked out and there was that moment of

751
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I was running to the front door at this

752
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point I had had it and was running into

753
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the house to tell our mother about what

754
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we were seeing in the sky and I was a

755
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little kid who was knocked out from

756
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behind by you know on a certain level

757
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:07,159
and my mind a cosmic bully and that

758
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,080
afternoon Helen said do you want to talk

759
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about this and I said no and a next day

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led to the next week led to the next

761
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year and when I said fourteen and a half

762
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:18,679
years later in amazement that she had

763
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confirmed in my memories why come why

764
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didn't we ever talk about this she

765
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reminded me that I had asked not to she

766
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loved me and respected me as her brother

767
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and that was that it can be that simple

768
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:31,129
sometimes Peter I have a couple of

769
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:32,929
questions you know that I'm absolutely

770
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fascinated by your account and you know

771
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:37,489
a couple things immediately come to mind

772
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:40,849
you say you blacked out now do you have

773
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:43,580
a sense of the actual duration of the

774
00:32:47,049 --> 00:32:45,289
event the actual sighting event that you

775
00:32:49,409 --> 00:32:47,059
are consciously aware of and does that

776
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:49,419
differ from some sort of hypnotic

777
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regression information that make you

778
00:32:57,459 --> 00:32:54,589
know suggest a different number you have

779
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it in your mind to your best estimate

780
00:33:01,149 --> 00:32:59,839
how long were those off discovering

781
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:01,159
there what was the duration of the

782
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:03,289
experience that's my Fidelis Helen and I

783
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agreed first that we were looking at

784
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:08,059
them hanging in the sky for possibly two

785
00:33:14,729 --> 00:33:10,700
minutes that is an incredibly long

786
00:33:17,709 --> 00:33:14,739
amount of time now Helen was just 12 and

787
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what I really grasped now is she was

788
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:20,419
still at the end of childhood the real

789
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childhood with the possibility of

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told me that she never forgot it it was

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something that if she reflected on very

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often in the intervening years but said

794
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it always made her feel special and that

795
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sooner or later she knew we would talk

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about it and she had other things to do

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however for me when the memory

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00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:42,400
returned and again if you want to go

799
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into why I think it returned what it did

800
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:46,630
but it's sort of immaterial it returned

801
00:33:52,110 --> 00:33:50,320
with a vengeance that um left me feeling

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00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:52,120
like maybe I was going crazy how could I

803
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:54,340
have forgotten something that was now

804
00:34:00,120 --> 00:33:57,310
running through my head like a reel of

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tape and that I knew had happened as

806
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:01,570
well as I know I'm talking to you guys

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right now

808
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:04,930
my first thought around how long I was

809
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,990
out based on this returned memory was

810
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:10,720
not any knowledge but a hope I hoped it

811
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:14,260
was a minute or two when I came to my

812
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:16,840
sister was not there and I went into the

813
00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:19,480
house and walked upstairs she shared a

814
00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:21,340
room with my other sister at the top of

815
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:23,560
the stairs and there she was looking out

816
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:26,020
of the window with her back to me

817
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:27,850
looking into the yard as a private

818
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moment and that's when I went downstairs

819
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:33,280
and told her mom but as I explored this

820
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:35,260
with bud with Pete with the other

821
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:37,540
regression therapist and then starting

822
00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:40,510
over the years that followed to begin to

823
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really have hands-on with other case

824
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material and meeting many many people

825
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who had had similar experiences

826
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occasionally with siblings or close

827
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friends or what-have-you

828
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it just seemed more and more logical

829
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that I was out for a longer period of

830
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time how long I couldn't say but long

831
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enough that my sister who had

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extraordinarily vivid memories of going

833
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up up up with her hair blowing and the

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bottom of one of these things getting

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larger and larger that it happened while

836
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she was gone I will ask the next

837
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rhetorical question which was how could

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I have been lying there for 20 minutes

839
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or half an hour or longer or whatever

840
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without anybody seeing me this is a very

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rural village it was a late spring early

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summer day and there was nothing going

843
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on there was nobody if anybody drove by

844
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the house the chances are you know was

845
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lying down they might not have seen me

846
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anyway

847
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but although he was who you were

848
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actually lying on the lawn or where were

849
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you and I was I was literally at that

850
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point I was running as fast as my little

851
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kids could take me to the front door and

852
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was cutting laterally across the lawn to

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that point where the walkway came to the

854
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front door

855
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so you assumed that you you were knocked

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down basically I not only was i but when

857
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:00,940
I said that there was a flash of blue

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before everything went black

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and that was my conscious memory uh my

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sister then when she finished telling me

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what she remembered said but there's

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more and you're not gonna like if words

863
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I will never forget I mean that was it

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was amazing and I said why and she said

865
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well I saw you kind of peel off from my

866
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right there with my peripheral vision

867
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but frankly I wasn't going to stop

868
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looking at them this was the most

869
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:27,490
amazing thing I had ever seen and I

870
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think that's a reaction a lot of people

871
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have when they look at something like

872
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this they may be anxious but they know

873
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it's going to disappear and I'll never

874
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see it again very possibly amazing so

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amazing we'll have to continue in just a

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tuned in to the para cast let me tell

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you what you're gonna hear Steph here

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the

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

974
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that George snoring the co-host is Chris

975
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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

976
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para cast our guess is Peter Robbins the

977
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book of course that he wrote that we all

978
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know about is left at Eastgate

979
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co-author with Larry Warren but

980
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obviously he's been associated very

981
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:31,590
closely with the abduction scenario

982
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:35,160
where he and his sister see a UFO and

983
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he's zapped with a blue light and we

984
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were going into what happened next

985
00:41:45,859 --> 00:41:43,560
yeah and there were five of them in a

986
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:45,869
formation and I know how this sounds

987
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:49,760
some people and you know I I remember my

988
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esteemed friend and colleague Travis

989
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:56,130
Walton once saying in a lecture that he

990
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,900
not only understood why people so many

991
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,910
people thought he was crazy or a liar

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but he probably would have felt the same

993
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:07,310
way to to certain points in his life and

994
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:10,619
it's not that it's impossible it just

995
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:13,170
couldn't be well until you've been there

996
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:15,210
it's impossible to know what it's like

997
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:17,130
and you know I had an experience when I

998
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:19,619
was 7 years old but you know for many

999
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:22,020
years even you know after becoming

1000
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,570
publicly you know involved in this yeah

1001
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:26,700
you know I was very reluctant to come

1002
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:29,550
forward it's quite a bit and it's so

1003
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:33,390
easy to understand gosh for me I talked

1004
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:36,750
about it fairly early on but I have

1005
00:42:42,859 --> 00:42:39,900
never ever not told the truth about it

1006
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:42,869
but I have not discussed certain aspects

1007
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:46,290
of it for example that this memory of

1008
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:49,410
Helen saying within 2 or 3 seconds her

1009
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,250
account of this beam of me disappearing

1010
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:56,640
to run into the house she watched as one

1011
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,240
of these craft if you will shot out a

1012
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:02,460
blue beam of light and she was very

1013
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:04,710
specific here to say that itself was

1014
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:07,950
mind-blowing it's a clear day it's not

1015
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:12,119
you know for example a heavily foggy

1016
00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:13,800
kind of condition where if you shone a

1017
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:15,990
laser you know you'd see that lime

1018
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:18,330
bouncing off of a billion droplets of

1019
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:22,740
moisture she saw the light as though it

1020
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:23,610
was

1021
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:25,770
you know and defined on each side and

1022
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:27,930
she turned she saw me and at the light

1023
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:30,780
went out I went down the next thing she

1024
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:33,510
remembers she's on her way up now let me

1025
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:36,630
also tell you conscious memory my last

1026
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:40,440
three memories before everything went

1027
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,400
out was something that I actually feel a

1028
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:47,040
lot saner talking about having heard so

1029
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,070
many other accounts directly from people

1030
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,040
in similar ish situations the first

1031
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,200
aspect and this sounds impossible is

1032
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,300
that I my attention was completely gone

1033
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,400
within two or three seconds from these

1034
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:01,380
things in the sky I was not thinking

1035
00:44:04,850 --> 00:44:03,150
about them well how could that be

1036
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:04,860
the reason was something actually a

1037
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,010
little more interesting was happening I

1038
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,800
think what had happened was I had lost

1039
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,140
all motor coordination and was going

1040
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:16,380
down while I was running but for me it

1041
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:19,470
was an incredibly slow motion and as I

1042
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:22,530
started to fall I'm coming in toward the

1043
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:24,690
walkway and again this will kind of

1044
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:26,610
locate my mentality at the time I'm

1045
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,250
looking getting bigger and bigger and a

1046
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:31,440
number of ant hills being worked on by

1047
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:34,890
their occupants and thinking about gee

1048
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:37,500
look at the ants and I rule them and

1049
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:39,060
they look at me cross-eyed I can wipe

1050
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:42,210
them out number two how beautiful my

1051
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:45,300
mom's forsythia bushes look they were

1052
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:47,670
pale blue and she was great gardener and

1053
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:50,130
number three and I swear to you this was

1054
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,490
it

1055
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:52,260
my third memory before everything went

1056
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,810
black was what a lovely day that's it

1057
00:45:00,500 --> 00:44:57,660
now again I say that without hesitation

1058
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:00,510
and proudly because there are so many

1059
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:02,490
other people that I have interviewed or

1060
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:05,850
work with or through bud or met who have

1061
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:09,090
described extremely similar phenomena do

1062
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:11,640
you think parenthetically Peter do you

1063
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:14,880
think that that positive impression is

1064
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:17,700
being implanted to reduce your sensation

1065
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,190
of fear it wouldn't surprise me although

1066
00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:22,640
there may be a series of like

1067
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:25,820
physiological synapses that snap in

1068
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,930
normally if you're falling and you might

1069
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:30,480
hurt yourself and I did scrape my right

1070
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:32,910
forearm very nicely in fact my first

1071
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,940
physical sensation when I awoke was a

1072
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:37,260
throbbing in my right

1073
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:39,390
or arm and I swear once again I mean

1074
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:42,360
I've got the tapes I look at it and it's

1075
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:46,140
a big red bruise that you know is going

1076
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,650
to be very nice for a boy in a few days

1077
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:51,960
and my conscious words are what a great

1078
00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:54,150
scamp that's gonna be you know a true

1079
00:46:02,240 --> 00:45:56,670
boys red magic oh I love those stairs

1080
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:02,250
yes yeah quick question here Chuck Peter

1081
00:46:08,090 --> 00:46:05,010
you are a but you know I just such a

1082
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:08,100
bright eloquent guy and you know I mean

1083
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:11,010
you you know I edited this dialogue from

1084
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:13,530
disclosure mija I'm so glad you like the

1085
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:15,930
waiver my favorite interview know where

1086
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:17,670
the dialogue was you and Gary Heseltine

1087
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,550
talking Wow having have a battle by you

1088
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:23,040
really like you know I'm not stroking

1089
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:24,540
here I I really mean that

1090
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:27,030
thank you and you know being such a

1091
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:30,150
bright kid having such an incredible

1092
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:32,190
experience like this I'm sure one of the

1093
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:34,320
first things that you did was start

1094
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:36,990
diving into checking around to see if

1095
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,540
anybody else had seen these objects now

1096
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:41,400
was there any sort of sighting wave

1097
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,070
going on at the time were you able to

1098
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:47,760
uncover any corroborating witnesses did

1099
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:50,040
you did you mention this to anybody or

1100
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:53,540
did you pull back and and kind of like

1101
00:46:58,610 --> 00:46:56,700
keep it hidden and in a really really I

1102
00:47:00,380 --> 00:46:58,620
mean what was your process I forgive you

1103
00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:00,390
I will give you a two-part answer to

1104
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:02,460
that and thank you for asking it when it

1105
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:05,850
happened again and I stretch this and

1106
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:07,770
nature is kind we remember certain

1107
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:09,150
things happen but we don't remember

1108
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,340
exactly what we were going through and

1109
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:14,220
anybody think back to you know being in

1110
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:16,260
the seventh or eighth grade and the

1111
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:19,260
mortification of you know acne or having

1112
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:21,570
you know not cool clothes or having a

1113
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,630
girl makes fun of you whatever I knew as

1114
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:26,880
well as I knew anything that if I

1115
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:29,370
reported what Helen and I had seen to

1116
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,230
even my best buddies in junior high

1117
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:33,690
school word would get around and that

1118
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:35,670
there is this network of girls that has

1119
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:37,380
connected up around the planet and that

1120
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:39,810
they would hear about this and that none

1121
00:47:44,090 --> 00:47:42,090
of them would ever have sex with me for

1122
00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:44,100
my whole life this was the course the

1123
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:46,080
wrong version of Facebook before there

1124
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:47,570
was Facebook and Twitter

1125
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:51,350
before he was myspace I his worldwide

1126
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:52,910
every concerned

1127
00:47:57,850 --> 00:47:55,400
the peer pressure aspect and the

1128
00:48:00,220 --> 00:47:57,860
ridicule factor was something I did

1129
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:00,230
think about I will tell you over the

1130
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:02,690
next week or two I struggled and this is

1131
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:04,190
one of the reasons why that mantra that

1132
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:05,420
can't be there for it isn't word

1133
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,470
therefore it's something else is

1134
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:08,240
something I'm that around because that

1135
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:10,250
is exactly the point that I took it

1136
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,350
couldn't have been machines of

1137
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:14,000
undetermined origin under intelligent

1138
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:16,130
control from parts unknown of advanced

1139
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:18,350
technology it had to be something else

1140
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:20,510
whatever it was was getting in my way

1141
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,960
and I really wanted to go on to other

1142
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,000
things but in a matter of weeks I

1143
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:29,720
genuinely had put it behind me and then

1144
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:31,940
fourteen and a half years later I'm

1145
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,970
living in a loft in Chinatown I'm in my

1146
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:37,280
20s I'm a young artist I'm teaching

1147
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:38,870
painting at the School of Visual Arts

1148
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:41,330
the best art school or I graduated from

1149
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:43,490
I've got a beautiful girlfriend who

1150
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:46,910
believes in me I'm doing contracting and

1151
00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:49,250
blue-collar work in Soho and renovating

1152
00:48:54,370 --> 00:48:51,620
old buildings in galleries I've got

1153
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:54,380
everything I want I'm selling my work a

1154
00:48:59,830 --> 00:48:56,750
couple of times a year my dream is

1155
00:49:03,550 --> 00:48:59,840
coming true and Chinese New Year at the

1156
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:03,560
time up until mr. Giuliani miserable

1157
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:06,530
bastard became mayor the Chinese were

1158
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:08,750
they we look the other way as far as

1159
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:11,270
fourth of July fireworks went now they

1160
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:12,980
use poppers and things he declared it

1161
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:14,750
illegal but at the time he lived in

1162
00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:17,300
Chinatown you were like in the DMZ for

1163
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:19,430
72 hours so I hadn't slept at all in

1164
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:21,650
days and I had also just gone through a

1165
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:23,510
portfolio of drawings that my

1166
00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:25,550
grandmother had saved me and given to me

1167
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:27,800
not long before of drawings I had done

1168
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:29,960
as a child and I think these things in a

1169
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:31,970
way came together and the other most

1170
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:33,740
important thing is I guess my mind was

1171
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:36,050
simply ready to begin to address it now

1172
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:39,410
once the memory returned yes the answer

1173
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:43,100
to your question was I was able to get

1174
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:46,400
access to the newspaper morgues of the

1175
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:50,420
data of the Newsday the paper I grew up

1176
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:52,430
with as well as the New York Times and

1177
00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:55,310
the Long Island Post I was able to

1178
00:50:00,100 --> 00:49:57,590
locate the event as well as I could in

1179
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:00,110
June of 1961

1180
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:03,380
and from there I I went backwards and

1181
00:50:08,770 --> 00:50:05,150
forwards about six months in each

1182
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:08,780
newspaper and found nothing for me that

1183
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:10,250
was something that began to get me

1184
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:12,290
interested in UFOs and the media which

1185
00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:14,330
has become another specialty of mine if

1186
00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:16,820
you're gonna see a UFO are you going to

1187
00:50:21,790 --> 00:50:18,680
call the newspaper and report it oh

1188
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:21,800
they're gonna love that these things

1189
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:24,530
unless it's a mass sighting they often

1190
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:27,650
do not get reported because people are

1191
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,750
reticent to do so certainly were then

1192
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:32,240
and certainly to a degree are now now it

1193
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:33,230
makes sense

1194
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:34,910
you know having gone through you know

1195
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:37,490
it's a different but similar experience

1196
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:40,520
I definitely can appreciate that

1197
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:43,460
well let's let's move on I mean I think

1198
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:44,750
you've really established a

1199
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:46,850
reestablished for our listeners your

1200
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:49,610
your absolute fascination here let's go

1201
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,170
back to your work with the intruders

1202
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,930
foundation and and and then later on I

1203
00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:56,240
have a couple of questions uh dealing

1204
00:51:00,070 --> 00:50:58,100
with the Rendlesham and obviously we

1205
00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:00,080
need to carve out some time for that

1206
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:02,540
particular subject as well but yeah I

1207
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:04,610
was doing Chris before we were doing

1208
00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:06,290
that was to kind of just do a little

1209
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:08,660
more myth-busting about abduction

1210
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:10,190
investigation and results get people

1211
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:12,170
more acclimated to what's really going

1212
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:14,450
on and then we can go into more of the

1213
00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:16,550
work of the intruders foundation some

1214
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:18,560
things we've discovered and some things

1215
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:21,230
that you know are left out there on the

1216
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:23,750
table that we don't fully understand the

1217
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:25,850
guest is peter robbins the book is left

1218
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:28,940
at Eastgate co-author with larry warned

1219
00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:31,610
about Rendlesham he was also a board

1220
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:33,080
member of the intruders foundation

1221
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:35,390
founded by the late bud Hopkins I'm Jean

1222
00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:37,100
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1223
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1249
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1250
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1251
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1252
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1256
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1257
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1258
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:11,380
here's Jane Steinberg we have Peter

1259
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:13,630
Robbins I'm gene with Chris from the

1260
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:16,990
para cast going back to some of the

1261
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:18,820
things I was mentioning and we kind of

1262
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:20,950
dovetail into your personal encounters

1263
00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:23,290
when I went into hypnotic regression but

1264
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:25,600
let's look at more myths about UFO

1265
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:28,270
abductions that's really in many cases

1266
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:31,480
sleep paralysis you know you wake up you

1267
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:33,610
can't move but you're kind of having a

1268
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:37,240
nightmare now our cultural expectation

1269
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:41,830
has grey aliens UFOs that kind of thing

1270
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:44,230
with all the science fiction on TV in

1271
00:53:50,250 --> 00:53:47,070
the movies so what about sleep paralysis

1272
00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:50,260
yes I love that term cultural

1273
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:51,790
expectation that's great

1274
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:55,540
well there is absolutely no question in

1275
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,730
any sane person's mind that has looked

1276
00:54:01,080 --> 00:53:59,920
into it whether they're a medical or

1277
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:01,090
mental health professional or a

1278
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:01,750
layperson

1279
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,450
that this is a diagnosed absolute real

1280
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:06,880
condition where you wake up and you're

1281
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,060
unable to move for reasons that I am not

1282
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:11,940
aware of technically speaking it's

1283
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:17,260
absolutely a given but for again the

1284
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:19,840
bunkers or mean-spirited skeptics to

1285
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:23,680
then presume that this person has

1286
00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:28,330
somehow it is so weak minded that they

1287
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:31,600
because they can't move they then are

1288
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:35,080
seeing a being or beings standing in

1289
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:36,820
their room or that they're floated

1290
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:38,590
through a solid object like a window or

1291
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:42,490
a wall or that they're taken or that one

1292
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:44,350
is also having to presume that they are

1293
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:47,050
scarring themselves not that that

1294
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:49,330
doesn't happen either but how do they

1295
00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:51,100
make those tiny little ice cream scoops

1296
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:52,870
that self corner eyes and never seem to

1297
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:53,500
bleed

1298
00:54:58,380 --> 00:54:55,810
are they enrolling other people in lying

1299
00:55:00,480 --> 00:54:58,390
for them in cases where this is

1300
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:00,490
witnessed on one level or another and

1301
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:03,310
again I would direct anybody's attention

1302
00:55:07,540 --> 00:55:06,550
to the book witness by Hopkins the point

1303
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:07,550
being here is

1304
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:10,310
that you can't dismiss though the fact

1305
00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:12,650
that sometimes mental health issues are

1306
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:14,660
responsible for some people thinking

1307
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:16,700
they're being abducted well that would

1308
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:20,150
be not just naive it would be extremely

1309
00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:24,290
poor deductive method and absolutely

1310
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:27,380
unethical the fact is that of people who

1311
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:30,380
have had these experiences I would

1312
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:34,960
expect that there is a an appropriate

1313
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:37,940
breakdown among those people of people

1314
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:40,970
who have had any number of situations

1315
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:45,980
problems whether or not they smoke or a

1316
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:51,290
drink or are you know a neurotic on some

1317
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,260
level or another however one thing I

1318
00:56:01,090 --> 00:55:57,440
will always be indebted to dr. John Mack

1319
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:01,100
for was as a distinguished professor of

1320
00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:03,710
psychiatry and a clinician Pulitzer

1321
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:05,420
prize-winning writer and co-founder of

1322
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:08,780
the psychiatric wing of Cambridge

1323
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,930
Hospital in Boston John who also worked

1324
00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:14,240
with abductees although we disagreed on

1325
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:17,750
many things he was qualified to and did

1326
00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:21,050
run standard psychological tests on the

1327
00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:23,720
people that came to him and in every

1328
00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:27,320
case and not almost every case except

1329
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:30,380
for this extraordinary series of

1330
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:32,950
memories and experiences they absolutely

1331
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:36,890
tested out as normal people and

1332
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:38,510
representative of the population at

1333
00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:40,850
large so there's no specific class of

1334
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:42,860
people racial characteristics or

1335
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:45,230
anything else income levels that are

1336
00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:47,120
more or less prone to being abducted

1337
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:50,360
well in fact it's just the opposite for

1338
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:52,670
me that was most clear in years of

1339
00:56:57,970 --> 00:56:54,920
attending support group meetings in New

1340
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:57,980
York City I would say that every pretty

1341
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:01,490
much every ethnicity background social

1342
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:05,690
and political point of view men and

1343
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:08,870
women older and younger again people who

1344
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:11,120
had high school education and phd's

1345
00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:14,180
people who were doctors and lawyers and

1346
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:16,430
men mental health professionals I would

1347
00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:18,650
add who certainly knew that if they ever

1348
00:57:21,339 --> 00:57:20,180
were public about this they would lose

1349
00:57:22,959 --> 00:57:21,349
their licenses

1350
00:57:24,489 --> 00:57:22,969
discuss of course they're crazy if they

1351
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:24,499
say that happen is that one of the

1352
00:57:28,329 --> 00:57:26,089
reason why more mental health

1353
00:57:29,799 --> 00:57:28,339
professionals aren't getting involved in

1354
00:57:31,509 --> 00:57:29,809
the abduction research kind of leaving

1355
00:57:33,459 --> 00:57:31,519
the layman to kind of figure it out

1356
00:57:35,949 --> 00:57:33,469
gosh I'll tell you what if I were a

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00:57:38,229 --> 00:57:35,959
psychologist or a psychiatrist and I

1358
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:38,239
wanted to learn more about this or get

1359
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:40,190
involved I'd be very discreet about it

1360
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:43,940
and I'm I think it takes tremendous

1361
00:57:49,269 --> 00:57:46,670
courage to do otherwise and in some ways

1362
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:49,279
can be very counterproductive in fact I

1363
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:51,380
will tell you for a fact that I read

1364
00:57:59,729 --> 00:57:54,410
there were at least six psychiatrists

1365
00:58:02,289 --> 00:57:59,739
and quite a number of psychologists who

1366
00:58:04,209 --> 00:58:02,299
developed very cordial relationships

1367
00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:04,219
with but and who formed part of our very

1368
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:06,769
informal network of mental health

1369
00:58:13,269 --> 00:58:10,190
professional referrals around the states

1370
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:13,279
that confided to Budd and he to me as

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00:58:16,509 --> 00:58:14,180
his assistant

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00:58:18,699 --> 00:58:16,519
and I do not break those confidences in

1373
00:58:20,859 --> 00:58:18,709
here I'm not giving any names of course

1374
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:20,869
but what they would ultimately say was

1375
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:23,420
the reason I got into the healing arts

1376
00:58:28,089 --> 00:58:26,180
or became a psychologist was because

1377
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:28,099
this has happened to me since I was a

1378
00:58:34,059 --> 00:58:31,369
child as well and I wanted to be of some

1379
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:34,069
value ok now that certainly dovetails to

1380
00:58:38,049 --> 00:58:35,839
our next question which is from the

1381
00:58:40,749 --> 00:58:38,059
critics ok the critics or some critics

1382
00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:40,759
say ok and I guess personal is you know

1383
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:43,400
right Hopkins and dr. David Jacobs with

1384
00:58:48,969 --> 00:58:45,410
just a couple of dirty old men looking

1385
00:58:51,579 --> 00:58:48,979
for poor unfortunate people to exact the

1386
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,589
lurid details of their abduction

1387
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:53,839
encounters with specific emphasis on

1388
00:58:58,839 --> 00:58:56,049
those that seem to have sexual

1389
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:58,849
experimentation in terms of taking sperm

1390
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,160
samples such things like that what's

1391
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,680
your response to that yes that there are

1392
00:59:08,410 --> 00:59:05,599
people who of course would seize upon

1393
00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:08,420
that number one let's say hypothetically

1394
00:59:15,029 --> 00:59:10,849
that they were people of low character

1395
00:59:19,479 --> 00:59:15,039
who for some horrific you know personal

1396
00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:19,489
really twisted reason or deep neuroses

1397
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:21,829
or need to feel special or what-have-you

1398
00:59:28,089 --> 00:59:25,609
were so objectionable as people that

1399
00:59:30,779 --> 00:59:28,099
they would do these things this I would

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00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:30,789
imagine number one should be actionable

1401
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:33,390
legally

1402
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:37,130
to dr. Jacobs who just retired from his

1403
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:40,110
post as a very popular professor of

1404
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:41,610
history at Temple University in

1405
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:44,700
Philadelphia should have certainly lost

1406
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:47,700
all credibility as an academic and been

1407
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:50,700
fired by the University and in fact some

1408
00:59:56,420 --> 00:59:53,220
of the attackers have have tried to do

1409
00:59:59,900 --> 00:59:56,430
just that completely without success but

1410
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,910
the other thing is again trying to pull

1411
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:01,680
back a moment here and be as objective

1412
01:00:06,830 --> 01:00:04,170
as I can as somebody who is just

1413
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:06,840
listening to this show trying to take in

1414
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:08,310
what we're talking about and whether or

1415
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:10,770
not we're joking or delusional or maybe

1416
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:13,350
god forbid this is something that might

1417
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:16,020
be going on one would want to think

1418
01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:19,500
anything other than the possibility that

1419
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:22,430
it really is as presented no matter what

1420
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:25,800
first rather than accept and this

1421
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:29,460
incredible reality is a possibility so

1422
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,830
on a certain level you know I appreciate

1423
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:33,780
that there are people that are going to

1424
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:36,810
at least examine that point of view but

1425
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:39,810
to then maintain it I think we only need

1426
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:42,420
to look to the history of some of the

1427
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:45,960
true pioneers of science and other areas

1428
01:00:50,810 --> 01:00:48,960
of discovery over the millennia to see

1429
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:50,820
that you know they were the ones who

1430
01:00:58,460 --> 01:00:53,460
were the most attacked in their time you

1431
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:58,470
have somebody like a per Nagas who was

1432
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:01,260
imprisoned for by the the Roman Catholic

1433
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:07,230
Church in in the 1590s for stating that

1434
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,610
he felt the earth went around the Sun

1435
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,680
and after six years he was burned at the

1436
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:13,380
stake as a heretic I'm pleased to report

1437
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:14,910
that in the last few years the church

1438
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:16,710
has apologized and said that they

1439
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:18,900
overreacted a bit it's a bit too late

1440
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:22,470
yeah well you know I feel well helm

1441
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:24,690
right is another person well don't even

1442
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:27,840
yes in fact he would be an example that

1443
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:30,210
my I'd be glad to devote a whole show to

1444
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:32,670
that is an area of specialty research

1445
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:36,330
and investigation for me that precedes

1446
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:39,240
this in fact I'm last month I had the

1447
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:41,070
great honour of speaking about Reich and

1448
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,280
UFOs at a conference on his work in

1449
01:01:50,049 --> 01:01:46,400
discoveries in central Greece

1450
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:50,059
stirred this in France and different

1451
01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:51,710
right conferences around the world over

1452
01:01:57,789 --> 01:01:54,020
the years well what I think part of this

1453
01:02:01,180 --> 01:01:57,799
situation here too is that you wonder

1454
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:01,190
about people who take these very

1455
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:03,650
extraordinary events and turn them into

1456
01:02:09,789 --> 01:02:07,849
lurid tabloid style and headlines and

1457
01:02:12,099 --> 01:02:09,799
you have to think nobody is above

1458
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,109
criticism I mean we can take the work of

1459
01:02:16,779 --> 01:02:14,960
a bud Hopkins and dr. David Jacobs we

1460
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:16,789
can say well they did this right they

1461
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:19,190
did this wrong and that's legitimate to

1462
01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:21,230
say they shouldn't have analyzed the

1463
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:22,460
only way we're going to understand

1464
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:24,529
what's going on is to analyze the work

1465
01:02:28,329 --> 01:02:25,940
that's being done and if they've made

1466
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,339
mistakes fine take that evidence and

1467
01:02:32,620 --> 01:02:30,079
don't use it we'll get into more of this

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on the para casts with Jeanne and Chris

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we're talking to Peter Robbins co-author

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with Larry Warren of left at Eastgate

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that's the Rendlesham book and of course

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you're always in America

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robbins with gene and chris on the power

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cast so we're talking about I guess the

1578
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criticism the fact that it's not just

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criticizing somebody's methods but

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trashing a person's personality just

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ripping it apart to shreds for whatever

1582
01:07:45,579 --> 01:07:43,460
motives how do you feel about that well

1583
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,589
not good the fact is though this has

1584
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:47,119
nothing to do with UFOs

1585
01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:50,329
it is common human behavior throughout

1586
01:07:56,589 --> 01:07:53,390
history when information is too

1587
01:08:00,640 --> 01:07:56,599
disturbing or a new discovery suggests

1588
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that absolutely set and understood

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01:08:06,970 --> 01:08:04,250
belief is now open to question better to

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destroy the discover and if you can't

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destroy their findings attack their

1592
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character this is all too common in our

1593
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culture and right now I think we're

1594
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seeing it in American politics a lot

1595
01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:19,759
it's just become a very brutal and as

1596
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you say tabloid kind of game let's

1597
01:08:26,939 --> 01:08:24,049
remember here also that we live in a

1598
01:08:30,970 --> 01:08:26,949
world that of low information

1599
01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:30,980
individuals where Fox leads the charge

1600
01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:34,190
around the world to continue to knock

1601
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:36,020
brain cells out of people's heads and

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where news fo tainment passes for actual

1603
01:08:44,890 --> 01:08:42,380
information that is happening whether

1604
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:44,900
they get all self-righteous and huffy

1605
01:08:50,499 --> 01:08:46,250
when you bring that to their attention

1606
01:08:54,579 --> 01:08:50,509
and I will say here and I forget I think

1607
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:54,589
it's a quote credited to Joseph gear

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01:09:00,370 --> 01:08:57,770
balls the about the big lie if you keep

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01:09:00,999 --> 01:09:00,380
repeating a lie and you do to do it loud

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01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:01,009
enough

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01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:04,670
people will get worn down and if it's

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01:09:09,129 --> 01:09:06,380
what they're hearing they will begin to

1613
01:09:11,740 --> 01:09:09,139
assume that it has some factual basis

1614
01:09:13,419 --> 01:09:11,750
this is very effective and it's been

1615
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,429
used throughout history so why should we

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01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,440
expect different here in fact here we

1617
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,630
should expect it all the more and in

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01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:20,239
fact when you study the history of

1619
01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:24,289
public perception in media of UFOs it

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01:09:29,819 --> 01:09:26,539
has been singled out for such an

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01:09:32,349 --> 01:09:29,829
incredible level of derision attack

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01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:32,359
condescension belittling and when you

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01:09:36,519 --> 01:09:34,489
can't attack the information you attack

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01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:36,529
the credibility of the individual again

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01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,630
this is an area that fascinates me in

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01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:40,880
terms of its impact on controlling

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01:09:47,979 --> 01:09:44,630
information and making mass impact on a

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01:09:50,919 --> 01:09:47,989
culture we the human race we the first

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01:09:53,979 --> 01:09:50,929
world we the New York Times and the news

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01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:53,989
media of the Western world have done an

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01:09:59,319 --> 01:09:57,050
absolutely brilliant job even now when

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01:10:01,149 --> 01:09:59,329
we live in a time when more and more

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01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:01,159
people even if they don't readily

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01:10:06,129 --> 01:10:03,800
discuss it will say to people they're

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01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,139
close to or at least think yes this is a

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01:10:10,779 --> 01:10:08,239
possibility this is interesting this

1637
01:10:13,029 --> 01:10:10,789
might actually be the way it is now how

1638
01:10:14,649 --> 01:10:13,039
can we push this aside other than

1639
01:10:16,180 --> 01:10:14,659
ignoring these people because I'll tell

1640
01:10:19,959 --> 01:10:16,190
you we've been demonized here on the

1641
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:19,969
podcast constantly so you know they talk

1642
01:10:25,209 --> 01:10:23,570
about but not you Jane they they well

1643
01:10:28,270 --> 01:10:25,219
they focus on you you're a money-grubber

1644
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,280
by the way because you have this tape

1645
01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:30,800
that this DVD set that you have on

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01:10:35,529 --> 01:10:32,900
disclosure you're not entitled to

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:35,539
possibly sell a few copies and make a

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:37,610
couple of dollars I mean that's wasting

1649
01:10:44,529 --> 01:10:40,610
some people educate people and again I

1650
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,539
can't stress how impress Peter and I

1651
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:46,400
don't say this very very often on the

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01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,880
show

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01:10:51,310 --> 01:10:49,280
I don't stroke my guest but I'm telling

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01:10:54,189 --> 01:10:51,320
you when you talk about your interest in

1655
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:54,199
the media's role in the truth embargo

1656
01:11:01,029 --> 01:10:57,650
let's say or how you know the public

1657
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,039
knowledge of UFOs has unfolded since you

1658
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:02,960
know Roswell Kenneth Arnold incident yes

1659
01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:05,960
your your point about that initial

1660
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:07,969
article in The New York Times about the

1661
01:11:12,939 --> 01:11:10,730
Roswell incident is so powerful and it

1662
01:11:13,959 --> 01:11:12,949
is so indicative of exactly what you've

1663
01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:13,969
been talking about

1664
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:16,060
in terms of really putting a lid down

1665
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:18,860
culturally on something that is so

1666
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:21,920
paradigm shifting and so like out of the

1667
01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:24,890
norm out of the pale that it just the

1668
01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:27,140
effects of that have reverberate it for

1669
01:11:31,689 --> 01:11:29,630
decades yes they haven't very well I'm

1670
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:31,699
crazy enough or obsessed enough with

1671
01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:36,350
this subject to in a number of separate

1672
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,500
projects I have found and downloaded

1673
01:11:44,140 --> 01:11:41,840
every single article the New York Times

1674
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:44,150
has ever published on this subject and I

1675
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,370
went for The Times because it's a paper

1676
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:48,800
that I have tremendous admiration for it

1677
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,690
is arguably the flagship of American

1678
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,120
journalism print journalism and has a

1679
01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:55,040
long and distinguished history but there

1680
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:57,080
is kind of an interesting caveat in

1681
01:12:02,800 --> 01:11:58,730
their slogan all the news that's fit to

1682
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:02,810
print this news is not fit to print and

1683
01:12:06,490 --> 01:12:04,580
I don't mean it in a joking way I mean

1684
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:06,500
it's it's terrifying to many people

1685
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:08,870
whether or not that there was a policy

1686
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:11,510
decision made back then I can only make

1687
01:12:16,570 --> 01:12:14,870
educated guesses but having read every

1688
01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:16,580
single article the New York Times has

1689
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:18,440
ever published and seeing the impact it

1690
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:20,870
has had from the get-go on other major

1691
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:24,080
news carriers whether it was radio David

1692
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:26,570
Sarnoff an NBC or the her syndicated

1693
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:28,010
papers of accomplished syndicated

1694
01:12:35,229 --> 01:12:31,270
newspapers the impact was tremendous and

1695
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:35,239
once it was understood that this was a

1696
01:12:41,650 --> 01:12:37,690
subject that should be singled out for

1697
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,660
special treatment and that there were

1698
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,280
now two kinds of journalism there was

1699
01:12:47,470 --> 01:12:45,440
journalism and UFO journalism and UFO

1700
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:47,480
journalism that was flying saucers and

1701
01:12:51,250 --> 01:12:49,040
little green man even if people seemed

1702
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:51,260
serious we all know it's nonsense so if

1703
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,310
you don't get everything right or

1704
01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:53,600
whatever you can play fast and loose

1705
01:13:00,250 --> 01:12:56,630
with it but I observed very specific

1706
01:13:02,140 --> 01:13:00,260
patterns in the way the reportage was

1707
01:13:03,939 --> 01:13:02,150
twisted whether it came in a series of

1708
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:03,949
articles or one article so would you

1709
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:06,320
suggest then Peter that this way of

1710
01:13:10,750 --> 01:13:08,690
reporting UFOs was that something that

1711
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:10,760
just everybody fell into that habit or

1712
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:14,570
was this mandated by management the big

1713
01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:16,489
corporations who also support the

1714
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:20,060
politicians Press Inc we can deduce that

1715
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:22,489
once the initial reporting got out there

1716
01:13:26,350 --> 01:13:24,650
and that first week because again The

1717
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:26,360
Times completely ignored the Kenneth

1718
01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:26,870
Arnold

1719
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:29,720
sightings but the day after the

1720
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:31,910
Roseville announcement that in fact a

1721
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:34,100
disk had been recovered the day that who

1722
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:36,770
were Jesse Marcel senior was humiliated

1723
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:38,930
and never was quite the same for the

1724
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:40,370
rest of his life that poor man

1725
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:43,600
the times seized on the story and

1726
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:46,700
attacked its credibility they did such a

1727
01:13:51,670 --> 01:13:49,370
number and that became policy now my

1728
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,680
point is however it happened and I have

1729
01:13:57,070 --> 01:13:53,840
no idea how I had my ideas and theories

1730
01:14:00,850 --> 01:13:57,080
but once the major papers began to cover

1731
01:14:02,980 --> 01:14:00,860
this subject in a condescending way the

1732
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:02,990
signal was sent out to the news media

1733
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:04,310
the only ones who didn't pick up on it

1734
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:06,530
and who still don't are local newspapers

1735
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:09,290
who overall just serious reporting's of

1736
01:14:12,430 --> 01:14:10,310
local sightings

1737
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:12,440
now signal in what sense do you think

1738
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,570
the government get sent to see or is it

1739
01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:17,120
the publishers talking to each other he

1740
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:19,100
done all that needed to be done as far

1741
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:22,160
as I'm concerned from wherever the lead

1742
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:25,460
came and I will send you an extensive

1743
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:27,710
paper that you can post on your site

1744
01:14:31,630 --> 01:14:29,810
here I think it'll be better than trying

1745
01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:31,640
to use all our time to explain the

1746
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:33,740
theoretics but for me once it was

1747
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:36,170
established that the subject is silly

1748
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:37,490
and should be covered in a silly way

1749
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:40,370
editors publishers and certainly

1750
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,080
reporters who wants to buck the system

1751
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:43,760
you know you want to be the one to

1752
01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:45,770
report that it's serious you're gonna be

1753
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:47,180
a laughingstock among your colleagues

1754
01:14:52,810 --> 01:14:49,400
make no mistake about it you'll be like

1755
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:52,820
Frank Edwards newscaster on radio who

1756
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:55,130
lost his gig well hey Edwards is a whole

1757
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,110
nother case he ended up being the most

1758
01:15:01,360 --> 01:14:59,360
influential radio broadcaster about the

1759
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:01,370
subject of his time in the 60s he was

1760
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,320
the person who first brought Donald

1761
01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:05,840
Kehoe on the air and made this a serious

1762
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,940
topic of discussion he wrote several New

1763
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:10,400
York Times bestsellers and although I

1764
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:12,230
have looked into and done a whole

1765
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:15,100
separate amount of research on alleged

1766
01:15:19,570 --> 01:15:17,930
deaths that are somewhat suspicious of

1767
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:19,580
people who have been involved in the

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:21,290
work most of which I think we're either

1769
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:23,090
coincidental or just sort of

1770
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:24,980
conspiratorial wish-fulfillment

1771
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:26,990
I do have some very serious questions

1772
01:15:31,690 --> 01:15:29,330
about Edwards passing and I want to ask

1773
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,700
you about that because I did know Frank

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01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:33,520
Edwards slightly

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believe me a little bit later on we'll

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have some questions for Peter Robbins

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from our listeners who post on the

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is Chris O'Brien and I was saying there

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earlier that I met Frank Edwards a few

1885
01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:17,570
times had some Pleasant conversations

1886
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:21,620
with him a really nice guy now he was

1887
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:23,330
kind of a heavy guy so you kind of think

1888
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,730
the guy is overweight he dies young

1889
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:28,400
maybe that's a logical explanation but

1890
01:20:33,490 --> 01:20:29,510
you're saying there's something more

1891
01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:33,500
there as we're speaking I'm trying to

1892
01:20:39,340 --> 01:20:36,920
see if I can locate that paper without

1893
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:39,350
too much trouble here simply because I

1894
01:20:43,810 --> 01:20:41,449
did such good research on it I thought I

1895
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:43,820
don't want to try to remember and in

1896
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:46,489
fact I'm giving a lecture on it in a few

1897
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,820
weeks in Rochester New York Frank

1898
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:51,920
Edwards began his career as a radio

1899
01:20:58,209 --> 01:20:55,250
broadcaster in 1924 he was actually

1900
01:21:01,150 --> 01:20:58,219
White House correspondent from 49 to 54

1901
01:21:04,209 --> 01:21:01,160
and was cited as one of the nation's

1902
01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:04,219
three top broadcasters in 1953 the other

1903
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:06,230
two were Edward r murrow and Lowell

1904
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:08,690
Thomas I mean the guy was a player he

1905
01:21:12,370 --> 01:21:11,810
wrote a number of books relative to the

1906
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,380
subject

1907
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,960
stranger than science strangest of all

1908
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:17,360
but his two real blockbusters on this

1909
01:21:23,010 --> 01:21:20,390
subject were UFOs serious business and

1910
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:23,020
UFOs here and now they were major

1911
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,010
bestsellers in this country and I think

1912
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:27,440
the first one internationally he was

1913
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:29,900
also a member of the board of governors

1914
01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:34,880
of nycap very hard-hitting he also was

1915
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:37,340
the person who introduced America per se

1916
01:21:42,669 --> 01:21:40,580
to donald Kehoe the voice rather than

1917
01:21:45,459 --> 01:21:42,679
just the book he hoes books preceded him

1918
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,469
he was a first real major UFO

1919
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:47,840
best-selling author where I have

1920
01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:52,130
problems with the events surrounding his

1921
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:54,590
death and I I'm not saying there's foul

1922
01:21:58,689 --> 01:21:56,210
play I'm saying that there is cause for

1923
01:22:01,630 --> 01:21:58,699
further investigation there is no

1924
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:01,640
question he was a heavy fellow probably

1925
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:03,920
had high blood pressure based on you

1926
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:07,280
his weight and he passed away a few

1927
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:09,890
minutes before midnight on on June 23rd

1928
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:15,920
1967 in New York City at an event that

1929
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,130
he was about to speak for called the

1930
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:21,679
conference of scientific ufologist that

1931
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:23,300
had been scheduled for the next morning

1932
01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:25,310
and I was on the board of the conference

1933
01:22:32,140 --> 01:22:29,420
of scientific youth all about that

1934
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:32,150
well I again the fact that he died

1935
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:35,090
suddenly the morning before he was going

1936
01:22:40,450 --> 01:22:38,210
to speak yes I I believe in coincidences

1937
01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:40,460
I don't think that everything happens

1938
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:42,440
for a reason stuff just sometimes bumps

1939
01:22:48,669 --> 01:22:45,250
into each other this for me though is

1940
01:22:50,650 --> 01:22:48,679
this pushes the threshold a bit not that

1941
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:50,660
it's an impossible coincidence far from

1942
01:22:58,750 --> 01:22:55,010
it how old was he well let's see we can

1943
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:58,760
make a deduction this was 1967 he began

1944
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:02,480
his broadcasting career in 1924 so we're

1945
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:05,750
sending a guy in his 60s early 60s maybe

1946
01:23:11,380 --> 01:23:08,540
I would guess sure but not more not more

1947
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:11,390
I mean again who knows there could be a

1948
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:14,210
perfectly legitimate death certificate

1949
01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:17,210
there that actually states realistic

1950
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:21,350
causes or and or not parenthetically my

1951
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,530
brother died at the age of 62 but that

1952
01:23:30,250 --> 01:23:27,440
happened in the 1990s after a magazine

1953
01:23:32,350 --> 01:23:30,260
called longevity had this article not

1954
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:32,360
too many months before he died saying

1955
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:36,110
why Wally Steinberg plans or hopes to

1956
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:38,210
live forever the wrong kind of article I

1957
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:42,230
guess irony here's another thing too he

1958
01:23:50,830 --> 01:23:44,570
passed away a few minutes before

1959
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:50,840
midnight on the 23rd of June or possibly

1960
01:23:58,750 --> 01:23:54,710
a few minutes after and if it was after

1961
01:24:00,040 --> 01:23:58,760
it would have been on the exact 20th

1962
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:00,050
anniversary of the Kenneth Arnold

1963
01:24:05,860 --> 01:24:03,290
sightings again the Chancellor one end

1964
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:05,870
either 165 I mean it's not a million to

1965
01:24:13,060 --> 01:24:09,440
one shot but these two things taken

1966
01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:13,070
together for me signal that further

1967
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:15,830
investigation is warranted not that he

1968
01:24:21,370 --> 01:24:17,810
was murdered for what he knew about you

1969
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:21,380
those never jump the gun but yes this is

1970
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:23,180
this is interesting and if it was one of

1971
01:24:27,670 --> 01:24:25,190
those things interesting if it's two of

1972
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:27,680
them worthy of further investigation

1973
01:24:32,380 --> 01:24:30,050
well I must say that one of the most

1974
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:32,390
influential books for me as a youngster

1975
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:34,640
growing up were John Fuller's book

1976
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:36,710
incident at Exeter and Frank Edwards

1977
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:40,370
books a UFO serious business and you

1978
01:24:44,530 --> 01:24:42,650
know let's let's move forward here in

1979
01:24:46,270 --> 01:24:44,540
our conversation Jean when were we you

1980
01:24:48,610 --> 01:24:46,280
were talking we were talking about the

1981
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:48,620
mythos about the abduction phenomena and

1982
01:24:52,690 --> 01:24:50,210
I think we kind of got into the general

1983
01:24:54,490 --> 01:24:52,700
UFO field and I think part of it is we

1984
01:24:56,620 --> 01:24:54,500
were raising questions about the

1985
01:24:58,890 --> 01:24:56,630
methodology about the media but also

1986
01:25:02,230 --> 01:24:58,900
about some people who have basically

1987
01:25:04,540 --> 01:25:02,240
decided to demonize the leading

1988
01:25:07,690 --> 01:25:04,550
investigators in the UFO abduction field

1989
01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:07,700
and demonize me and demonize you and

1990
01:25:12,130 --> 01:25:10,070
demonize Don Ecker Chris who knows

1991
01:25:14,590 --> 01:25:12,140
you've been called an entre

1992
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:14,600
they are worried about what car I Drive

1993
01:25:18,820 --> 01:25:16,790
and whether somebody complained because

1994
01:25:21,610 --> 01:25:18,830
I once spent ninety nine cents on a

1995
01:25:23,230 --> 01:25:21,620
pay-per-view video I wrote an article

1996
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:23,240
about it because I couldn't get it to

1997
01:25:28,570 --> 01:25:26,270
work but they complained because having

1998
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:28,580
the usual financial difficulties people

1999
01:25:34,030 --> 01:25:31,010
have in this day and age they said you

2000
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:34,040
wasted money 99 cents you should go you

2001
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:36,110
know buy a new car for that yeah well

2002
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,550
duh

2003
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:39,440
I am fact I think I'm gonna have to ring

2004
01:25:44,410 --> 01:25:42,710
off now i i'm actually very irate that

2005
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:44,420
you would do that when that money should

2006
01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:46,520
have been better applied yes and i

2007
01:25:52,090 --> 01:25:48,740
definitely I definitely shouldn't buy my

2008
01:25:55,060 --> 01:25:52,100
wife coffee well that's a big one

2009
01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:55,070
there's somebody out there groaning

2010
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:56,600
about that should make it yourself for

2011
01:26:00,820 --> 01:25:58,370
goodness sakes not buy it from one of

2012
01:26:02,650 --> 01:26:00,830
those fancy retail places yeah like a

2013
01:26:08,170 --> 01:26:02,660
convenience store for a dollar twenty

2014
01:26:10,150 --> 01:26:08,180
nine totally I shouldn't be using Mac's

2015
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:10,160
I should buy a three hundred dollar PC

2016
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:13,010
and have it blow up in my face works for

2017
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:13,190
me

2018
01:26:18,940 --> 01:26:16,850
hey you raise bugs virus I just paid two

2019
01:26:20,770 --> 01:26:18,950
hundred to the head month I have been

2020
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:20,780
afraid to say but seriously speaking

2021
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:23,330
looking at the UFO abductions yeah

2022
01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:26,960
is it because David Jacobs and Budd

2023
01:26:31,330 --> 01:26:29,720
Hopkins were considered leading

2024
01:26:33,610 --> 01:26:31,340
investigators that they were signaled

2025
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:33,620
out over and above everybody else as

2026
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:36,110
opposed to I don't know how many other

2027
01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:38,230
people are doing you know active

2028
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:40,790
carpenter I mean there's there there are

2029
01:26:44,290 --> 01:26:42,170
other individuals that are Vannelli

2030
01:26:46,540 --> 01:26:44,300
question there are there there are a

2031
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:46,550
number of other individuals who have

2032
01:26:51,190 --> 01:26:49,250
done what I consider you know good work

2033
01:26:54,130 --> 01:26:51,200
or serviceable work or done their very

2034
01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:54,140
best to get to the bottom of it from

2035
01:27:00,280 --> 01:26:56,060
their point of view but I think it's

2036
01:27:05,380 --> 01:27:00,290
fair to say in the world of ufology the

2037
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:05,390
two most seminal names are Hopkins and

2038
01:27:10,140 --> 01:27:07,850
Jacobs they really pioneered the

2039
01:27:14,110 --> 01:27:10,150
territory and all I can say

2040
01:27:16,780 --> 01:27:14,120
without belaboring the point is read

2041
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,790
their works and make your criticism

2042
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:19,520
based on the works that you've read I'd

2043
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:21,890
also suggest one of the finest books on

2044
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:23,690
the subject and one of the lesser known

2045
01:27:28,810 --> 01:27:26,330
ones is a book called UFOs and

2046
01:27:31,540 --> 01:27:28,820
abductions challenging the borders of

2047
01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:31,550
knowledge it's a particularly important

2048
01:27:37,380 --> 01:27:34,340
and unique book in that it was published

2049
01:27:39,460 --> 01:27:37,390
by the University of Kansas Press now

2050
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:39,470
University presses are notoriously

2051
01:27:45,340 --> 01:27:42,110
skittish about this subject and the fact

2052
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:45,350
is that this is a very courageous book

2053
01:27:53,980 --> 01:27:50,600
except for I think Bud's paper everybody

2054
01:27:56,410 --> 01:27:53,990
in the book is a PhD and it is all

2055
01:28:00,430 --> 01:27:56,420
academics all people who are involved in

2056
01:28:02,380 --> 01:28:00,440
the work but yes Hopkins and Jacobs had

2057
01:28:04,510 --> 01:28:02,390
the highest visibility in this work so

2058
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:04,520
if you're going to attack somebody you

2059
01:28:08,290 --> 01:28:06,050
know it's the American Way you want to

2060
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:08,300
become well-known and do it in a fairly

2061
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:10,370
lively way and not have to go through

2062
01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:13,330
years of establishing yourself you know

2063
01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:16,150
shoot somebody better-known um

2064
01:28:21,550 --> 01:28:18,470
allegorically or actually and all of a

2065
01:28:23,650 --> 01:28:21,560
sudden you're famous Wow and I have seen

2066
01:28:26,620 --> 01:28:23,660
that repeatedly over the years in the

2067
01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:26,630
last few years certainly no exception of

2068
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:29,150
people who were not known in the field

2069
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:31,670
who now are somewhat known specifically

2070
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:35,480
as the attackers of well-known people

2071
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:37,850
and now they've got you know their own

2072
01:28:43,220 --> 01:28:41,450
little area of following and you know

2073
01:28:45,620 --> 01:28:43,230
are working it for what they can

2074
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:45,630
well we can call them bottom feeders I

2075
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:47,910
don't know but okay so here's the point

2076
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,010
who's gonna take over this research now

2077
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:52,620
we have David Jacobs he's retired he's

2078
01:28:56,650 --> 01:28:54,660
not a young guy we hope he's gonna

2079
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:56,660
continue to be healthy for many years

2080
01:29:02,870 --> 01:28:59,880
but Hopkins just passed on we have a

2081
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:02,880
situation here where we have to find the

2082
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:05,010
next generation of researchers if we're

2083
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:06,900
going to evaluate the works of these

2084
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:10,110
people and decide one way or the other

2085
01:29:15,620 --> 01:29:13,500
what can go what can stay where can we

2086
01:29:18,230 --> 01:29:15,630
take it from here let's figure out

2087
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:18,240
what's happening so where do we take it

2088
01:29:24,710 --> 01:29:22,680
where are the young whippersnappers what

2089
01:29:27,260 --> 01:29:24,720
what can they bring to the table that

2090
01:29:28,610 --> 01:29:27,270
they've learned from from these pioneers

2091
01:29:30,650 --> 01:29:28,620
in the field that we've been discussing

2092
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:30,660
and the answer will come from Peter

2093
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:33,540
Robbins in just a moment you're

2094
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:35,910
listening to gene and Chris and we'll

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Robbins he's here in two capacities

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today are multiple capacities but also

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as a founding member an advisory board

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member of Budd Hopkins intruders

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foundation also is the author of left at

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Eastgate and probably what we'll do

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01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:13,630
after this answer is get into listener

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01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:14,950
questions and a little bit about

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01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:17,470
Rendlesham so the question is on the

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01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:20,710
table the next generation of UFO

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01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:24,460
abduction researchers tell us well we

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01:34:30,630 --> 01:34:27,670
will find out as they emerge there is no

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01:34:34,170 --> 01:34:30,640
set answer to that for example don't

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01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:34,180
think for a second that somebody who is

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01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,130
a board member of the intruders

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01:34:43,860 --> 01:34:40,960
foundation is simply going to come

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01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:43,870
forward and say I am now the new Budd

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01:34:50,580 --> 01:34:47,080
Hopkins this is simply not going to be

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01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:50,590
the case people establish themselves on

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01:34:58,020 --> 01:34:55,690
their own and things follow that I know

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01:35:01,830 --> 01:34:58,030
you know and when you said where is the

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01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:01,840
new young generation three or four guys

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01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:05,260
and gals in their 20s came right to my

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01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,280
mind who I've met spent time with

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01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:10,960
assisted in my own way and done some

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01:35:14,459 --> 01:35:13,360
interviews with or made introductions

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01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:14,469
for who are

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01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:18,449
as passionate as anybody in their 20s

2225
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,340
pursuing something that may well be what

2226
01:35:25,379 --> 01:35:23,679
they're going to be doing fully and

2227
01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:25,389
professionally we don't know where

2228
01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:26,380
they're going to come from but they're

2229
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,380
certainly out there and we will find out

2230
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:31,119
together who they are as they emerge

2231
01:35:37,169 --> 01:35:34,090
just to give a name means nothing you've

2232
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:37,179
got to do the work and we might not you

2233
01:35:41,219 --> 01:35:39,280
know see who they are for some time to

2234
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:41,229
come but we have a tremendous amount of

2235
01:35:47,069 --> 01:35:44,050
work to go through to analyze to subject

2236
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:47,079
criticism and a point that I meant to

2237
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:50,010
make before it got by me about you know

2238
01:35:58,290 --> 01:35:53,920
criticizing people like butter Dave well

2239
01:36:02,669 --> 01:35:58,300
anybody that is involved in radical new

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01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:02,679
work or theory or discoveries should

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01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:06,719
welcome criticism and I don't mean

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01:36:14,549 --> 01:36:10,960
debunking I mean functional criticism

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01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:14,559
based on what they allege this is part

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01:36:19,250 --> 01:36:17,110
of the process that drives knowledge and

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01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:19,260
science or any other area of study

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01:36:25,589 --> 01:36:23,530
forward the dialogue but this is

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01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:25,599
completely separate phenomena than

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01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:29,610
character attacks on individuals or

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01:36:36,569 --> 01:36:34,449
specious misinterpretations of work or

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01:36:39,839 --> 01:36:36,579
stacking the deck in some way or another

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01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:39,849
with false information and I'll tell you

2252
01:36:45,419 --> 01:36:42,610
I just remembered this has got to be

2253
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:45,429
well john mack was certainly still alive

2254
01:36:52,469 --> 01:36:50,650
and john our basic disagreement and i

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01:36:54,930 --> 01:36:52,479
know it was the same one that he had

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01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:54,940
with odd was john it's an eminently

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01:36:59,609 --> 01:36:58,150
decent man who i i i can't tell you how

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01:37:05,910 --> 01:36:59,619
much i like me is it just a wonderful

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01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:05,920
guy he sponsored me speaking about 1998

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01:37:13,469 --> 01:37:10,030
or so for the staff and invited guests

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01:37:17,489 --> 01:37:13,479
of the cambridge hospital psychiatric

2262
01:37:19,310 --> 01:37:17,499
wing on Rendlesham end stress in UFO

2263
01:37:21,989 --> 01:37:19,320
studies it was one of the most amazing

2264
01:37:25,589 --> 01:37:21,999
audiences i have ever had extremely

2265
01:37:27,970 --> 01:37:25,599
respectful but john looked John wanted

2266
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:27,980
to find transcendence

2267
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:30,800
and positive things in this experience I

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01:37:37,359 --> 01:37:33,650
I know that people that come through it

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01:37:39,069 --> 01:37:37,369
for me I they just go on to live their

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01:37:40,660 --> 01:37:39,079
lives and you know have their dreams

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01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,670
even though this stuff may get be going

2272
01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:42,800
on I think it's it's a testimonial to

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01:37:49,330 --> 01:37:45,369
the strength of the human character but

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01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:49,340
again this this tribe for looking for

2275
01:37:55,899 --> 01:37:52,369
something positive and maybe it's there

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01:37:58,089 --> 01:37:55,909
I just didn't see it in the cases that I

2277
01:38:01,060 --> 01:37:58,099
was involved in or am involved in over

2278
01:38:03,850 --> 01:38:01,070
the years and I'm certainly open to any

2279
01:38:06,669 --> 01:38:03,860
new information to change my thinking on

2280
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,679
any aspect of this nothing is set in

2281
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:08,960
stone here Chris you want to get into

2282
01:38:13,569 --> 01:38:10,489
some of the questions from our listeners

2283
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,579
right and you know I think Peter you

2284
01:38:18,819 --> 01:38:15,679
just did a good job answering a couple

2285
01:38:21,459 --> 01:38:18,829
of questions just you know with your

2286
01:38:24,910 --> 01:38:21,469
previous statements and in this comes

2287
01:38:26,919 --> 01:38:24,920
from Ellen Dale who's a forum poster

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01:38:29,140 --> 01:38:26,929
from Croatia and actually has been

2289
01:38:31,089 --> 01:38:29,150
involved in the reforms here at the pair

2290
01:38:34,689 --> 01:38:31,099
of CAF since August of last year

2291
01:38:36,399 --> 01:38:34,699
and he just asked about your opinion on

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01:38:38,529 --> 01:38:36,409
the current state of a abduction

2293
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,539
research and I think you've answered

2294
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:41,360
that pretty well but he brings up an

2295
01:38:46,270 --> 01:38:43,369
interesting point and and that is how do

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01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:46,280
you feel about the questions that have

2297
01:38:52,209 --> 01:38:49,280
been raised about you know investigative

2298
01:38:55,029 --> 01:38:52,219
protocols is Hopkins to be blamed for

2299
01:38:57,129 --> 01:38:55,039
being sloppy and not careful enough for

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01:38:59,319 --> 01:38:57,139
instance in the case of Jim immortal ro

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01:39:03,879 --> 01:38:59,329
at ease even though importing lardo yes

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01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,889
exactly and you know I could talk about

2303
01:39:08,589 --> 01:39:05,840
Linda Cortile or other things as well

2304
01:39:11,919 --> 01:39:08,599
that's my own caveat there but is there

2305
01:39:15,220 --> 01:39:11,929
a need to revalue re-evaluate the work

2306
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:15,230
of Hopkins do we take it at face value

2307
01:39:22,419 --> 01:39:19,489
or you know do we need to really back

2308
01:39:24,609 --> 01:39:22,429
engineer the work I don't think either

2309
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,619
oh I you know anybody is welcome to do

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01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:27,199
anything but number one anything that's

2311
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:29,690
put forward in the public realm should

2312
01:39:33,459 --> 01:39:31,610
not be taken at face value we should all

2313
01:39:35,709 --> 01:39:33,469
be in the habit of doing our own

2314
01:39:38,049 --> 01:39:35,719
research investigation yes of course

2315
01:39:39,490 --> 01:39:38,059
it's problematic you know working jobs

2316
01:39:40,989 --> 01:39:39,500
and earning a living and having other

2317
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:40,999
things to do in our lives

2318
01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:44,090
now as far as Jim mortadella case when I

2319
01:39:51,759 --> 01:39:47,960
was there I knew Jim I worked this as an

2320
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,769
assistant and Jim was a very convincing

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01:39:56,649 --> 01:39:52,880
liar

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01:40:00,100 --> 01:39:56,659
who may well have had experiences but

2323
01:40:03,790 --> 01:40:00,110
lied about aspects was a charmer very

2324
01:40:07,299 --> 01:40:03,800
colorful let us down quite a path but

2325
01:40:08,919 --> 01:40:07,309
Jim was very very much an exception to

2326
01:40:11,469 --> 01:40:08,929
the rule and of course you want to put

2327
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:11,479
that forward and you know claim it from

2328
01:40:17,799 --> 01:40:14,960
the tops of the rubes that we did this

2329
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:17,809
fine fund that Apple in the bunch sir

2330
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:20,150
yeah and the reason I sort of waylaid

2331
01:40:26,529 --> 01:40:23,030
off on to dr. Mac there was Time

2332
01:40:28,750 --> 01:40:26,539
magazine did a quote-unquote expose they

2333
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:28,760
sent in an undercover reporter who

2334
01:40:32,649 --> 01:40:30,650
alleged that they were an abductee had

2335
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:32,659
done all their homework presented very

2336
01:40:37,450 --> 01:40:35,210
well knew how to respond to the

2337
01:40:39,219 --> 01:40:37,460
different questions and protocols went

2338
01:40:42,189 --> 01:40:39,229
under but didn't allow themselves to

2339
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:42,199
fully go under and gave a story that

2340
01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:45,170
John accepted that was then used to

2341
01:40:51,339 --> 01:40:47,329
embarrass him and make him look foolish

2342
01:40:54,609 --> 01:40:51,349
it's not difficult on a certain level to

2343
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:54,619
create a tenable situation like that or

2344
01:40:59,859 --> 01:40:57,050
to be taken in by somebody who is

2345
01:41:02,350 --> 01:40:59,869
unscrupulous or has their own agenda is

2346
01:41:06,219 --> 01:41:02,360
there anybody in your listening audience

2347
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:06,229
or you or you or me who has not been

2348
01:41:11,919 --> 01:41:08,150
fooled by somebody whose intention was

2349
01:41:15,729 --> 01:41:11,929
to fool you please yeah dan is not a bad

2350
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:15,739
example but unfortunately okay here's

2351
01:41:20,259 --> 01:41:18,800
another question during your tenure in

2352
01:41:23,469 --> 01:41:20,269
ongoing tenure with the intruders

2353
01:41:26,350 --> 01:41:23,479
foundation did was bud or you ever

2354
01:41:28,419 --> 01:41:26,360
expose to some form of more rigid

2355
01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:28,429
evidence for example a police report

2356
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:31,190
which confirms that an alleged abductee

2357
01:41:35,020 --> 01:41:33,170
was reported as missing by others at the

2358
01:41:37,899 --> 01:41:35,030
time of the supposed abduction or a

2359
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:37,909
professional opinion by an MD regarding

2360
01:41:42,729 --> 01:41:40,610
scoop marks and a missing fetus these

2361
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:42,739
are examples that Elendil is giving you

2362
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:45,260
thank you so much for that question

2363
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:48,159
overwhelmingly yes and repeatedly I

2364
01:41:54,770 --> 01:41:51,170
remember over the years speaking with

2365
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:54,780
individuals who on the phone

2366
01:41:59,150 --> 01:41:56,820
I would read the initial letter I bring

2367
01:42:00,140 --> 01:41:59,160
it to buds attention he would ask me to

2368
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:00,150
give them a call

2369
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:02,880
invite them in or chat with them on the

2370
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,110
phone I remember one of the most

2371
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:06,960
poignant ones calling a young woman who

2372
01:42:10,910 --> 01:42:08,490
had written an incredibly poignant

2373
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:10,920
letter to bud with all the bells and

2374
01:42:16,610 --> 01:42:14,130
whistles and scarification and multiple

2375
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:16,620
witnesses and a history and having

2376
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:19,980
brought in her physician and then her

2377
01:42:26,410 --> 01:42:23,970
therapist who had uh was forced to

2378
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:26,420
realize that it wasn't you know some

2379
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:29,730
neuroses or something and when I told

2380
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:31,710
her who I was and why I was calling and

2381
01:42:35,420 --> 01:42:34,230
her initial question is am I crazy I

2382
01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:35,430
said I'm not a mental health

2383
01:42:39,110 --> 01:42:37,230
professional but to the very best of my

2384
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,120
knowledge and understanding and study

2385
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:41,520
this has happened to many many people

2386
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,900
all over the world and I heard her

2387
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,840
literally turn and scream like mom he

2388
01:42:50,510 --> 01:42:47,760
says that not a lot happened to a lot of

2389
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:50,520
people they have evidence it was really

2390
01:42:56,410 --> 01:42:53,250
hard rendering but oh absolutely we have

2391
01:42:59,410 --> 01:42:56,420
a lot over the years of corroborating

2392
01:43:04,730 --> 01:42:59,420
mental health professional testimony

2393
01:43:07,730 --> 01:43:04,740
physical evidences x-rays of objects

2394
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:07,740
that should not be in your body repeated

2395
01:43:16,130 --> 01:43:13,170
in a pairing of again a a small scoop

2396
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:16,140
marks car that appeared on the body at a

2397
01:43:20,270 --> 01:43:17,850
certain point that was noticed by the

2398
01:43:22,460 --> 01:43:20,280
parent that night or something when

2399
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,470
they're giving the kid a bath and that

2400
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:24,960
it was already cauterized but they knew

2401
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,540
it wasn't there before and that it apps

2402
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:29,280
and I was using that as an allegory

2403
01:43:33,410 --> 01:43:30,780
earlier that apps on you're talking

2404
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:33,420
about professional opinions about these

2405
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:35,730
to be the events and evidence correct

2406
01:43:40,130 --> 01:43:37,860
well that I'm talking about professional

2407
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:40,140
opinions based on bringing it together

2408
01:43:45,650 --> 01:43:43,650
in a case history so to say but that's

2409
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:45,660
like what but what Ellen Dale's trying

2410
01:43:50,050 --> 01:43:47,370
to get at is do you have any police

2411
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:50,060
report do we have any professional uh

2412
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,850
opinions rendered into the record that

2413
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,400
these things are real and unexplained in

2414
01:44:00,770 --> 01:43:57,840
other words I think what he's getting at

2415
01:44:02,780 --> 01:44:00,780
is is you know seasoned professionals

2416
01:44:06,410 --> 01:44:02,790
whether they're law enforcement or medic

2417
01:44:09,260 --> 01:44:06,420
doctors willing to stay on the record in

2418
01:44:12,710 --> 01:44:09,270
in you know some sort of official form

2419
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these are inexplicable this is

2420
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inexplicable evidence this is the hourly

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2440
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2441
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2450
01:45:53,490 --> 01:45:48,640
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2451
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2452
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,619
here's Jane Steinberg Rebeck the final

2453
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:02,719
hour we spend with Peter Robbins on the

2454
01:46:08,350 --> 01:46:05,329
para cast with Gene and Chris before we

2455
01:46:11,020 --> 01:46:08,360
broke Chris asked a detailed question

2456
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:11,030
about law-enforcement officials and

2457
01:46:16,899 --> 01:46:13,159
others going on the record what do you

2458
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:16,909
have to say Peter yes there is a handful

2459
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:20,449
of such material in those case histories

2460
01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:23,360
and there are certainly in excess of a

2461
01:46:31,660 --> 01:46:27,710
thousand that we will now begin to try

2462
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:31,670
to figure out how to handle but yes also

2463
01:46:37,839 --> 01:46:35,510
let us remember here that for a medical

2464
01:46:40,589 --> 01:46:37,849
health professional or a mental health

2465
01:46:43,359 --> 01:46:40,599
professional or a law enforcement

2466
01:46:47,229 --> 01:46:43,369
personnel and the ones that I remember

2467
01:46:53,290 --> 01:46:47,239
best our law enforcement corroborating X

2468
01:46:55,569 --> 01:46:53,300
Y or Z to even suggest that you believe

2469
01:46:58,359 --> 01:46:55,579
in UFOs or you take this silliness

2470
01:47:00,850 --> 01:46:58,369
seriously or that you are going to

2471
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,860
corroborate in some way a very real

2472
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:03,440
event think about the incident at Exeter

2473
01:47:07,229 --> 01:47:04,730
and the police officers that were

2474
01:47:09,819 --> 01:47:07,239
involved in that and were belittled in

2475
01:47:12,459 --> 01:47:09,829
Project Blue Book and actually wrote the

2476
01:47:15,569 --> 01:47:12,469
Project Blue Book and demanded that the

2477
01:47:18,129 --> 01:47:15,579
government per se apologize for

2478
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:18,139
categorizing their well-trained

2479
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:20,690
observations of a huge fully articulated

2480
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:23,090
disc coming in low over their part of

2481
01:47:27,970 --> 01:47:25,489
Exeter and being so anxious that then

2482
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:27,980
one of them unholstered his weapon that

2483
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:30,250
this was some kind of you know

2484
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:32,420
misinterpretation of a whether formation

2485
01:47:37,299 --> 01:47:34,329
again it would be funny if it wasn't so

2486
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:37,309
insulting yes there is a certain amount

2487
01:47:43,089 --> 01:47:40,010
of that level of information but for

2488
01:47:45,759 --> 01:47:43,099
very real-world reasons that I think

2489
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:45,769
most of us can grasp to set that down on

2490
01:47:51,220 --> 01:47:48,170
paper and sign your name is dr. this or

2491
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:51,230
police officer that you are taking your

2492
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:53,690
very career in your hands okay here's a

2493
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:56,730
question from William 5:20 who's

2494
01:48:02,570 --> 01:47:59,760
a new actual member of the forum and he

2495
01:48:04,430 --> 01:48:02,580
wonders about your thoughts on the

2496
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:04,440
Travis Walton case do you believe it was

2497
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:06,360
a hoax or do you believe Travis has

2498
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,090
really taken what are your opinions of

2499
01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:11,840
Lee's fever and his abduction accounts

2500
01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:14,790
again this is kind of a third question

2501
01:48:19,310 --> 01:48:17,100
what do you think are the best abduction

2502
01:48:21,140 --> 01:48:19,320
cases today I think he's gonna have

2503
01:48:24,830 --> 01:48:21,150
about three hours to answer this folks

2504
01:48:27,710 --> 01:48:24,840
Katie well yeah the question there Jean

2505
01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:27,720
okay as far as the Walton case goes I

2506
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:31,260
take it very seriously and I considered

2507
01:48:36,380 --> 01:48:33,170
Travis one of the most ethical

2508
01:48:37,670 --> 01:48:36,390
principled and decent people that I've

2509
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:37,680
ever met

2510
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,410
remotely associated with this subject I

2511
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:43,440
agree I just had my first opportunity to

2512
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:46,530
spend a little quality time with Travis

2513
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,590
back last month a month and a half ago

2514
01:48:55,670 --> 01:48:51,840
out in LA and so on and I was impressed

2515
01:48:59,000 --> 01:48:55,680
by by Travis he's just everything that I

2516
01:49:01,940 --> 01:48:59,010
thought he would be and and I you know I

2517
01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:01,950
I must say I I didn't mean to jump in

2518
01:49:07,940 --> 01:49:04,230
there but no that's fine I'm I am more

2519
01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:07,950
impressed with with that case now that

2520
01:49:12,140 --> 01:49:09,510
I've actually spent one-on-one time with

2521
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:12,150
Travis uh but but continue I'm sorry to

2522
01:49:16,190 --> 01:49:12,690
interrupt

2523
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,200
no I'm although the book speaks for

2524
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:18,480
itself and is a powerhouse as far as I'm

2525
01:49:23,780 --> 01:49:22,050
concerned and Travis when you have an

2526
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:23,790
opportunity to speak with him or hear

2527
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,210
him speak I think gives it real gravitas

2528
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:30,239
and credibility the film that was made

2529
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:33,330
on his experience which was extremely

2530
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:35,100
powerful fire in the sky

2531
01:49:40,820 --> 01:49:38,400
it really does quite a number on the

2532
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:40,830
abduction related area of the experience

2533
01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:43,050
and that's the directors prerogative

2534
01:49:46,729 --> 01:49:45,030
once you buy the option I think I

2535
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:46,739
actually had lunch with Travis and

2536
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:49,410
Tracey tormé who was kind of the

2537
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:51,570
producer of the programs available as

2538
01:49:57,380 --> 01:49:53,730
domi and then you have the inside sense

2539
01:49:58,670 --> 01:49:57,390
yeah they they all day believe me they

2540
01:50:01,850 --> 01:49:58,680
weren't happy with the way the whole

2541
01:50:04,700 --> 01:50:01,860
thing ended up in that people show right

2542
01:50:07,970 --> 01:50:04,710
there right however what I thought was

2543
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:07,980
not just really good but singularly

2544
01:50:13,250 --> 01:50:10,350
powerful about the film was the way

2545
01:50:18,110 --> 01:50:13,260
a that it dealt with and focused in on

2546
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:18,120
the problem the tremendous questions

2547
01:50:22,580 --> 01:50:19,650
that it set up for the law enforcement

2548
01:50:25,130 --> 01:50:22,590
personnel that were involved first let's

2549
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:25,140
remember we're talking about what was it

2550
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:27,210
five good friends including two best

2551
01:50:33,860 --> 01:50:30,810
friends who would have were first

2552
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:33,870
accused of murder because that was

2553
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:36,750
preferable to oh yeah your buddy got hit

2554
01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:38,810
by a blue light from a flying saucer

2555
01:50:43,700 --> 01:50:40,740
weird where's the body

2556
01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:43,710
yeah they threw him over the Mogollon

2557
01:50:48,380 --> 01:50:45,420
Rim I just like camping up there about

2558
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:48,390
three weekends ago so well again four

2559
01:50:54,260 --> 01:50:50,310
and by the way Chris never came back

2560
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:54,270
this is his doctor day no I'm here I'm

2561
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,490
here again for me the way that that

2562
01:51:03,740 --> 01:50:59,520
investigation proceeds the stress that's

2563
01:51:07,570 --> 01:51:03,750
put upon these young men to crack their

2564
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:07,580
characters per se the way that you know

2565
01:51:14,330 --> 01:51:10,770
tests came back and ultimately that

2566
01:51:16,730 --> 01:51:14,340
we're stuck with well you know he if you

2567
01:51:19,940 --> 01:51:16,740
know Travis or you have a sense of him

2568
01:51:22,940 --> 01:51:19,950
the idea that this working-class guy who

2569
01:51:27,110 --> 01:51:22,950
up until I think two years ago was still

2570
01:51:29,450 --> 01:51:27,120
a logger and who years ago was

2571
01:51:31,940 --> 01:51:29,460
approached by the then mayor of

2572
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:31,950
snowflake Arizona saying with great

2573
01:51:36,230 --> 01:51:34,500
pride Travis and I'm paraphrasing here

2574
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:36,240
and I know Travis would back me up on

2575
01:51:40,460 --> 01:51:38,610
this we want to have your name you know

2576
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:40,470
on this and you know welcome to

2577
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:43,080
snowflake Arizona sign home of Travis

2578
01:51:46,610 --> 01:51:45,210
Walton he said is absolutely disgusted

2579
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,620
and of course I would let them do it

2580
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:48,960
this is somebody who is the exact

2581
01:51:55,550 --> 01:51:52,380
opposite personality type character of

2582
01:51:58,520 --> 01:51:55,560
somebody who is looking for attention in

2583
01:52:01,550 --> 01:51:58,530
fact I can't think of anybody in public

2584
01:52:03,650 --> 01:52:01,560
life more emblematic of that kind of

2585
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,660
person who is extremely private and

2586
01:52:07,820 --> 01:52:05,280
would have probably been very

2587
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,830
preferential to that well well well

2588
01:52:11,570 --> 01:52:09,360
getting back to his question do you feel

2589
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:11,580
it to Travis Walton case is a watershed

2590
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:14,490
case or I think it's a very important

2591
01:52:20,510 --> 01:52:17,490
case I can't think of one even remotely

2592
01:52:24,050 --> 01:52:20,520
in its category that is more powerful

2593
01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:24,060
more important or stands up better under

2594
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:27,300
very tough questioning and scrutiny that

2595
01:52:32,690 --> 01:52:29,850
goes from the specifics of the

2596
01:52:35,420 --> 01:52:32,700
investigation into it to all of the

2597
01:52:37,940 --> 01:52:35,430
individuals who are involved I have a

2598
01:52:40,250 --> 01:52:37,950
great deal of respect for the incident

2599
01:52:42,050 --> 01:52:40,260
as well as the individual ok well what

2600
01:52:44,180 --> 01:52:42,060
other cases would you put in that same

2601
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:44,190
category or are there any other cases

2602
01:52:52,970 --> 01:52:48,810
well I would say for me again I worked

2603
01:52:55,820 --> 01:52:52,980
for and with bud for period sometimes of

2604
01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:55,830
a number of years or so and I was

2605
01:53:01,370 --> 01:52:58,380
working with him as his assistant for

2606
01:53:03,500 --> 01:53:01,380
the entire time that the investigation

2607
01:53:05,870 --> 01:53:03,510
on the so-called Linda case the Brooklyn

2608
01:53:08,630 --> 01:53:05,880
Bridge case was going on I was in the

2609
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:08,640
office the day that she came in in late

2610
01:53:12,230 --> 01:53:10,770
November or beginning of December I

2611
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:12,240
think was right after Thanksgiving late

2612
01:53:19,190 --> 01:53:16,170
November 1989 and I helped in any way

2613
01:53:21,860 --> 01:53:19,200
that I could on that investigation did

2614
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:21,870
all the well I did a lot of you know go

2615
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,940
for stuff background was one of the

2616
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:29,280
proofreaders although I read every page

2617
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:30,900
as it came out of the printer basically

2618
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:34,010
and that was like a six year or so

2619
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:36,750
investigation I also you still stand

2620
01:53:42,530 --> 01:53:40,560
behind the the citta I have never not

2621
01:53:45,170 --> 01:53:42,540
stood behind it in Linda who is somebody

2622
01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:45,180
who I have gotten to know very well who

2623
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:47,640
I consider has grown into becoming a

2624
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:49,650
very good friend the friendship that I

2625
01:53:56,990 --> 01:53:52,890
value very much is for me one of the

2626
01:54:00,890 --> 01:53:57,000
most upstanding decent non guile type of

2627
01:54:02,690 --> 01:54:00,900
people I have ever met and for me I take

2628
01:54:04,580 --> 01:54:02,700
it a little bit personally when I hear

2629
01:54:06,170 --> 01:54:04,590
people say that you know she and bud

2630
01:54:07,970 --> 01:54:06,180
cooked this up you know as a

2631
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:07,980
money-making scheme or some of the other

2632
01:54:15,500 --> 01:54:11,370
absolutely insulting nonsense that has

2633
01:54:16,610 --> 01:54:15,510
been put forward to belittle be the case

2634
01:54:19,220 --> 01:54:16,620
on the research on it

2635
01:54:21,710 --> 01:54:19,230
what about Whitley that's the sort of

2636
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:21,720
the second follow-up question away 20

2637
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:24,540
has opinion of the whitley strieber case

2638
01:54:31,700 --> 01:54:27,810
now this i'm asking this as someone that

2639
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:31,710
actually had my first I mean fully

2640
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:35,670
conscious UFO sighting experience in new

2641
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:37,650
pulse in September

2642
01:54:44,780 --> 01:54:40,860
weekend of September 1979 there are

2643
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:44,790
miles from from his cabin so well you've

2644
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,890
asked a question that I I think I can

2645
01:54:51,979 --> 01:54:48,960
offer at least somewhat unique

2646
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:51,989
perspective on communion with Lee's

2647
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:54,210
first book on UFOs and let us remember

2648
01:54:59,330 --> 01:54:57,210
here that Woodley screamer at the time

2649
01:55:01,970 --> 01:54:59,340
some of your listeners may not be aware

2650
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:01,980
of this he was far and away the best

2651
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:04,770
known American or writer that I'm aware

2652
01:55:11,090 --> 01:55:08,370
of with some repute and he I would if I

2653
01:55:12,770 --> 01:55:11,100
had to add categories categorize the

2654
01:55:15,050 --> 01:55:12,780
work viddy had written up until then as

2655
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:15,060
kind of Demi Stephen King you know

2656
01:55:20,270 --> 01:55:17,850
gothic fiction and sure we remember the

2657
01:55:22,580 --> 01:55:20,280
movies and we'll go into your answer in

2658
01:55:25,340 --> 01:55:22,590
further detail about whitley strieber

2659
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:25,350
about what he was before he said he was

2660
01:55:29,149 --> 01:55:27,090
an abductee in the book communion came

2661
01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:29,159
out we're talking with peter robbins

2662
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:30,780
you're listening to gene and chris

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so the question on the table for Peter

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Robbins is about whitley strieber and

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his experiences and we're getting the

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insights now i'm the power cast with

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gene and chris from peter robbins peter

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again please understand that anything

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that i say about whitley as in anything

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i say about anything is my opinion and i

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do not represent the intruders

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foundation or bud or anybody living or

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dead other than myself and i usually say

2797
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when i give opinions on the show I

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exists I'm busy out there buying some

2799
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dollar 29 coffee for my wife I'll be

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back well I don't know if disembodied

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spirits can lay the change on the

2802
02:01:05,860 --> 02:01:03,260
counter so give me a break now let's

2803
02:01:08,140 --> 02:01:05,870
remember that communion came out in 1987

2804
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the same year that intruders came out

2805
02:01:14,229 --> 02:01:11,750
and that Whitley who had many many

2806
02:01:16,300 --> 02:01:14,239
conscious memories and they were driving

2807
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:16,310
him they had driven him to a state of

2808
02:01:22,210 --> 02:01:19,730
depression anxiety that required him to

2809
02:01:23,740 --> 02:01:22,220
go into therapy I'm saying nothing here

2810
02:01:25,650 --> 02:01:23,750
out of school this was all stuff that's

2811
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:25,660
been discussed the book is dedicated

2812
02:01:30,610 --> 02:01:28,070
communion I would especially like to

2813
02:01:33,010 --> 02:01:30,620
thank Budd Hopkins who has sacrificed an

2814
02:01:35,170 --> 02:01:33,020
enormous amount of time and effort often

2815
02:01:36,729 --> 02:01:35,180
approaching the heroic for myself and

2816
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:36,739
those like me who have been dragged to

2817
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:38,690
the edge of reality I think that's

2818
02:01:42,729 --> 02:01:40,850
actually very well said and I think

2819
02:01:45,160 --> 02:01:42,739
which leaves a very good writer I was

2820
02:01:47,260 --> 02:01:45,170
aware that God was working with this

2821
02:01:48,850 --> 02:01:47,270
well-known writer worked in the office

2822
02:01:52,030 --> 02:01:48,860
every day I'd hear him on the phone I

2823
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:52,040
was sworn to confidentiality etc one

2824
02:01:56,530 --> 02:01:54,290
afternoon a month or two before the book

2825
02:01:58,540 --> 02:01:56,540
came out I received a phone call at home

2826
02:02:00,580 --> 02:01:58,550
and it was whitley strieber who i had

2827
02:02:02,620 --> 02:02:00,590
never spoken to before he introduced

2828
02:02:04,450 --> 02:02:02,630
himself and he said and i'm paraphrasing

2829
02:02:05,979 --> 02:02:04,460
and whitley if you're listening please

2830
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correct me if i'm wrong i know you're

2831
02:02:09,970 --> 02:02:07,730
aware of my situation i know you were

2832
02:02:12,250 --> 02:02:09,980
his buds assistant i have completed a

2833
02:02:14,890 --> 02:02:12,260
manuscript on this story that has

2834
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:14,900
happened to me and my family and I asked

2835
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:16,970
bud if there was anyone he could suggest

2836
02:02:21,310 --> 02:02:19,730
who would proofread this who had enough

2837
02:02:23,260 --> 02:02:21,320
knowledge on the subject that they could

2838
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:23,270
give me their opinion on how I've

2839
02:02:26,250 --> 02:02:25,610
written about it as well as somebody who

2840
02:02:27,959 --> 02:02:26,260
would

2841
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:27,969
not be afraid to simply just tell me

2842
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:30,130
what they thought and he recommended you

2843
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:33,280
would could I ask you the favor of

2844
02:02:39,509 --> 02:02:36,130
reading this manuscript for this book I

2845
02:02:42,089 --> 02:02:39,519
said yes and a short time after that I

2846
02:02:43,979 --> 02:02:42,099
went to his house in lower Manhattan

2847
02:02:46,890 --> 02:02:43,989
very nice loft apartment that he had

2848
02:02:49,740 --> 02:02:46,900
with his wife and son and they set me up

2849
02:02:52,439 --> 02:02:49,750
in a guest room in the morning and

2850
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:52,449
brought me lunch and I sat there for

2851
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:55,360
about eight hours close to it and I read

2852
02:02:59,069 --> 02:02:57,130
the manuscript for communion from

2853
02:03:01,560 --> 02:02:59,079
beginning to end I thought it was a very

2854
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:01,570
powerful book the only advice that I had

2855
02:03:06,569 --> 02:03:03,610
for Whitley was realizing he was still

2856
02:03:08,729 --> 02:03:06,579
in therapy something I had been in and

2857
02:03:11,490 --> 02:03:08,739
understood a certain amount of the

2858
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:11,500
dynamics of that it might serve the

2859
02:03:17,459 --> 02:03:14,170
manuscript as well as the process he was

2860
02:03:19,649 --> 02:03:17,469
going through to spend a bit more time

2861
02:03:21,870 --> 02:03:19,659
on it and not push it into print right

2862
02:03:23,580 --> 02:03:21,880
now and he thanked me and I think sent

2863
02:03:25,049 --> 02:03:23,590
it to the publisher that afternoon that

2864
02:03:27,930 --> 02:03:25,059
came out was an international bestseller

2865
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:27,940
so don't listen to me now over time and

2866
02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:30,610
this is my opinion purely I have come to

2867
02:03:36,359 --> 02:03:33,900
feel that yes this is a true story and

2868
02:03:38,910 --> 02:03:36,369
that is something I assumed at the start

2869
02:03:41,759 --> 02:03:38,920
but and again this is my opinion that

2870
02:03:45,180 --> 02:03:41,769
there are tiny parts of it little things

2871
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:45,190
that Whitley as a writer just did a

2872
02:03:48,990 --> 02:03:46,960
little bit of fine-tuning on or a little

2873
02:03:52,109 --> 02:03:49,000
bit of sanding at the edges I can't

2874
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:52,119
prove this and I mean no disrespect it

2875
02:03:57,450 --> 02:03:55,090
is simply my opinion that some of that

2876
02:03:59,640 --> 02:03:57,460
went on and for me that's always a

2877
02:04:01,080 --> 02:03:59,650
problem because if you change anything

2878
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:01,090
when you're writing

2879
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:03,250
ideally scrupulous nonfiction and boy do

2880
02:04:07,620 --> 02:04:05,650
I know that you can be accused of

2881
02:04:09,959 --> 02:04:07,630
quote-unquote not telling the truth or

2882
02:04:11,609 --> 02:04:09,969
some well in what else may meant sure

2883
02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:11,619
and also the problem is at that point

2884
02:04:15,689 --> 02:04:13,630
where does the fact and in the fiction

2885
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:15,699
begins let's move on to another question

2886
02:04:19,919 --> 02:04:17,530
because we're getting late in the show

2887
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:19,929
Krissy well now we're gonna you know

2888
02:04:24,689 --> 02:04:22,000
burst the the Rendlesham bubble bubble

2889
02:04:25,799 --> 02:04:24,699
here and we have several questions I'm

2890
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:25,809
not sure if we're going to be able to

2891
02:04:30,569 --> 02:04:28,150
get through all this but your Rendlesham

2892
02:04:33,330 --> 02:04:30,579
has is you know this is me speaking

2893
02:04:36,060 --> 02:04:33,340
Rendlesham is kind of uh it has a life

2894
02:04:37,820 --> 02:04:36,070
of its own and this question comes from

2895
02:04:41,330 --> 02:04:37,830
on the fritz who's one of our

2896
02:04:43,670 --> 02:04:41,340
our earliest he's been involved in post

2897
02:04:45,940 --> 02:04:43,680
and unfair cast for over five years

2898
02:04:48,530 --> 02:04:45,950
he was once a moderator for the forums

2899
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:48,540
exactly should you know his question

2900
02:04:52,730 --> 02:04:50,430
deals with what seems to be the sullying

2901
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:52,740
of the Rendlesham forest incident I

2902
02:04:57,380 --> 02:04:54,810
believe that the personalities involved

2903
02:04:59,720 --> 02:04:57,390
are beginning to degrade the event to me

2904
02:05:01,910 --> 02:04:59,730
when you have possibly the best UFO

2905
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:01,920
encounter of all time it now seems to

2906
02:05:05,660 --> 02:05:03,210
have all the principals involved

2907
02:05:07,340 --> 02:05:05,670
starting to turn on each other I must

2908
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:07,350
admit that I really can't believe how

2909
02:05:13,070 --> 02:05:10,140
anyone or everyone is going after

2910
02:05:15,110 --> 02:05:13,080
Charles Hall now don't get me wrong I'm

2911
02:05:16,850 --> 02:05:15,120
sure he is no angel in this case but

2912
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:16,860
this is a guy who had to tape this is a

2913
02:05:20,150 --> 02:05:18,510
guy who wrote the report this is a guy

2914
02:05:22,730 --> 02:05:20,160
who actually came forward first in my

2915
02:05:24,350 --> 02:05:22,740
view he says I'm not saying anything bad

2916
02:05:26,270 --> 02:05:24,360
about Larry Warren Penniston Burroughs

2917
02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:26,280
or anyone else for that matter but why

2918
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:28,650
Jim Penniston would bring that binary

2919
02:05:33,260 --> 02:05:31,920
code stuff right now is a head scratcher

2920
02:05:35,540 --> 02:05:33,270
and that's for sure

2921
02:05:37,340 --> 02:05:35,550
so I guess my question is are these guys

2922
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:37,350
starting to crack under some sort of

2923
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:39,210
unseen pressure he would love to hear

2924
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:40,110
your thoughts on that

2925
02:05:45,050 --> 02:05:42,510
and he also says peter is a great guest

2926
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:45,060
on any show I've ever heard him on thank

2927
02:05:48,230 --> 02:05:46,890
you that means a lot to me thank you

2928
02:05:52,040 --> 02:05:48,240
just for that I'll give you a good

2929
02:05:54,650 --> 02:05:52,050
answer know number one you've mentioned

2930
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,660
left at Eastgate several times the

2931
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,400
first-hand account of the Rendlesham

2932
02:06:00,650 --> 02:05:58,320
forest UFO incidents cover up an

2933
02:06:02,810 --> 02:06:00,660
investigation I didn't write that i

2934
02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:02,820
co-wrote it and I wouldn't want anyone

2935
02:06:06,350 --> 02:06:04,440
to think because that is something that

2936
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:06,360
did come up early on a bit witnesses

2937
02:06:10,850 --> 02:06:08,490
can't write Larry is a very good writer

2938
02:06:13,130 --> 02:06:10,860
and he wrote his half of the book more

2939
02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:13,140
than half of the book and I did the rest

2940
02:06:18,500 --> 02:06:15,030
and I'm glad was involved a little bit

2941
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too I'm very proud of the

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accomplishments the Rendlesham forest

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02:06:26,270 --> 02:06:22,980
incident which is many of your listeners

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02:06:29,090 --> 02:06:26,280
know took place over three and possibly

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02:06:32,690 --> 02:06:29,100
two nights consecutively between

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02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:32,700
Christmas and New Year's 1980 in Suffolk

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East Anglia England within the proximity

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of to highly secured NATO bases was 30

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years old on December well late December

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and I along with Larry along with two of

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the other key witnesses Charles Hall was

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invited he declined and another

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02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:54,270
investigator of the case Linda how also

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02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:56,370
Nick Pope was there specifically for

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02:07:01,280 --> 02:06:58,320
questions and answers and not to speak

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02:07:05,090 --> 02:07:01,290
but there was a conference and that was

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the place where Jim Penniston chose for

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the first time in public to talk about

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this so-called binary code and that had

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I don't want to mischaracterize it it's

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Jim's story and I wouldn't dream of you

2962
02:07:24,280 --> 02:07:20,190
know trying to interpret it and for your

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02:07:27,070 --> 02:07:24,290
audience I still am having a problem

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02:07:30,170 --> 02:07:27,080
grasping it and that's not a reflection

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02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:30,180
necessarily on the veracity of Jim's

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02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:35,040
claims it's I am in many ways I'm just

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really it's so right-brained that I have

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problems wrapping myself around certain

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scientific constructs that are presented

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to me among them this aspect of the

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story Jim and John Burroughs who he has

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been lecturing with on and off over the

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past years sometimes with Charles halt

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and I will say although I think Jim is

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now associated with with Charles again

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02:08:10,970 --> 02:08:07,350
in December both of them badmouth

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Charles extensively from the stage and

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then by March when they spoke at the

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International UFO Congress in Phoenix

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Jim was very much back in the groove

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with nothing well we'll get into this

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particular issue and more with Peter

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listening to the paragraphs the

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gold-standard paranormal radio we're

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back with peter robbins of course who's

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co-author of left and eastgate with

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02:13:00,150 --> 02:12:57,640
larry warren founding member of the

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intruders foundation you're listening to

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gene and Chris and I'm the Peres cast

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you were talking about was this a

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falling-out among the people who were

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involved in the rendition case well

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02:13:16,620 --> 02:13:13,420
there's never been a falling in there's

3091
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never been cohesion here it's not a new

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02:13:23,490 --> 02:13:19,000
phenomena what happened

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02:13:26,850 --> 02:13:23,500
in part is that the events happened Jim

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02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:26,860
and John who were involved on the first

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02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:29,770
night and I as I recall John on the

3096
02:13:37,140 --> 02:13:33,250
second stayed in the service for another

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02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:37,150
20 odd years and as they have related it

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02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:40,480
to us only had each other to talk about

3099
02:13:46,170 --> 02:13:43,870
it with which had to be incredibly

3100
02:13:49,530 --> 02:13:46,180
stressful Larry

3101
02:13:51,630 --> 02:13:49,540
Warren my co-author left the air force

3102
02:13:56,910 --> 02:13:51,640
with a fully honorable discharge six

3103
02:14:00,180 --> 02:13:56,920
months after the fact in May of 1981 in

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82 suffering very much from what we

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02:14:04,410 --> 02:14:01,270
would now say oh yeah that's

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post-traumatic stress disorder felt a

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02:14:09,810 --> 02:14:06,880
tremendous need to talk to somebody

3108
02:14:12,330 --> 02:14:09,820
about this and ultimately the first in

3109
02:14:15,810 --> 02:14:12,340
UFO investigative person he was put in

3110
02:14:17,490 --> 02:14:15,820
contact with was Larry Fawcett a name

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02:14:19,770 --> 02:14:17,500
that will ring true to some of your

3112
02:14:22,860 --> 02:14:19,780
listeners not active now retired in

3113
02:14:25,710 --> 02:14:22,870
Florida and I hope he's well but Larry

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02:14:27,930 --> 02:14:25,720
was at the time not just a respected UFO

3115
02:14:30,900 --> 02:14:27,940
investigator he was a police lieutenant

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02:14:33,660 --> 02:14:30,910
in Coventry Connecticut and very adept

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02:14:36,690 --> 02:14:33,670
and interviewing at etc and he was the

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one who first drew you know did a full

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series of interviews with warrant

3120
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:41,590
although Linda Howe also did a series of

3121
02:14:46,170 --> 02:14:44,410
interviews with him before a year or so

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before we began to work together

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Larry and I that is and the information

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02:14:54,900 --> 02:14:52,240
that Larry gave to Larry Fossett was

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02:14:58,049 --> 02:14:54,910
then put into the form of a FOIA and

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02:15:00,599 --> 02:14:58,059
that was filed

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and the next year it resulted in the

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release of that single document that we

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02:15:10,379 --> 02:15:06,179
refer to as a halt document his somewhat

3130
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:10,389
compressed redacted report of the event

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02:15:15,899 --> 02:15:13,510
written two weeks after the fact but

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02:15:18,779 --> 02:15:15,909
certainly you know the document the only

3133
02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:18,789
one we had for two decades or so that

3134
02:15:25,829 --> 02:15:22,449
validated it on an official forum I will

3135
02:15:29,129 --> 02:15:25,839
also stress and reiterate here that the

3136
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information was only gotten from Larry

3137
02:15:33,989 --> 02:15:31,359
Warren who essentially and there's no

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nice word for it he outed everybody that

3139
02:15:38,729 --> 02:15:36,129
he remembered being involved with it now

3140
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:38,739
Charles halt has maintained on and off

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02:15:42,809 --> 02:15:41,050
for many years that Larry wasn't even

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involved that he just heard stuff and

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02:15:48,569 --> 02:15:45,839
wanted to be involved as a wannabe and

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02:15:50,969 --> 02:15:48,579
you know it gets a kick out of being a

3145
02:15:54,540 --> 02:15:50,979
UFO personality please I find that

3146
02:15:57,209 --> 02:15:54,550
insulting but the information was then

3147
02:16:00,299 --> 02:15:57,219
sent the halt document was then sent as

3148
02:16:03,299 --> 02:16:00,309
a courtesy to leading British UFO

3149
02:16:05,939 --> 02:16:03,309
researcher Jenny Randall's who shared it

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02:16:09,029 --> 02:16:05,949
with a colleague who is an attorney as

3151
02:16:11,279 --> 02:16:09,039
well as a UFO researcher and his name is

3152
02:16:13,229 --> 02:16:11,289
I'll think of it and he then turned

3153
02:16:15,839 --> 02:16:13,239
around and sold it to the now-defunct

3154
02:16:17,819 --> 02:16:15,849
news of the world for X thousands of

3155
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:17,829
pounds and when that story broke in

3156
02:16:24,449 --> 02:16:20,800
October 82 Charles halts name was front

3157
02:16:27,689 --> 02:16:24,459
and center this as he has said to me and

3158
02:16:30,299 --> 02:16:27,699
Larry personally to audiences and on

3159
02:16:32,819 --> 02:16:30,309
television and other locations of very

3160
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:32,829
understandably was not a good thing in

3161
02:16:37,019 --> 02:16:35,290
his career or his private life and when

3162
02:16:40,019 --> 02:16:37,029
we were speaking on at the same

3163
02:16:43,259 --> 02:16:40,029
conference in Kansas in March I told him

3164
02:16:45,660 --> 02:16:43,269
from the stage that I was sorry that it

3165
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:45,670
had caused such a disruption and you

3166
02:16:50,189 --> 02:16:48,130
know anxiety and anguish to his life and

3167
02:16:52,139 --> 02:16:50,199
that I was still very proud of my

3168
02:16:55,229 --> 02:16:52,149
co-author and always would be for

3169
02:16:57,660 --> 02:16:55,239
bringing this information out now Larry

3170
02:17:00,540 --> 02:16:57,670
Warren was left to kind of hang in the

3171
02:17:02,189 --> 02:17:00,550
wind for X amount of time but he got to

3172
02:17:05,399 --> 02:17:02,199
rage at the universe you didn't have to

3173
02:17:07,290 --> 02:17:05,409
shut up about it or decompressed like

3174
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:07,300
Penniston and Burroughs Charles halt

3175
02:17:11,129 --> 02:17:09,519
maintained from the start that Larry's

3176
02:17:11,550 --> 02:17:11,139
word couldn't be trusted because he was

3177
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:11,560
met

3178
02:17:15,240 --> 02:17:13,690
with and you're familiar as readers of

3179
02:17:17,310 --> 02:17:15,250
left that he skater you've heard John

3180
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:17,320
and Jim speak and you know these men

3181
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:20,770
were put through Disneyland on LSD kind

3182
02:17:24,390 --> 02:17:23,170
of stuff starting the next night and

3183
02:17:27,090 --> 02:17:24,400
what they were subjected to is

3184
02:17:29,370 --> 02:17:27,100
unconscionable and they are all damaged

3185
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:29,380
from it but all maintained for many

3186
02:17:33,900 --> 02:17:31,990
years that Larry's statements could not

3187
02:17:35,820 --> 02:17:33,910
be taken as credible because he had

3188
02:17:37,890 --> 02:17:35,830
quote-unquote been meddled with well

3189
02:17:39,930 --> 02:17:37,900
they've all been meddled with and John

3190
02:17:42,210 --> 02:17:39,940
and Jim my god after hearing them speak

3191
02:17:43,980 --> 02:17:42,220
about how they're dealing with this or

3192
02:17:46,140 --> 02:17:43,990
trying to deal with it my heart goes out

3193
02:17:48,840 --> 02:17:46,150
to both of them and if anything they're

3194
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:48,850
more beat up about it than Larry and

3195
02:17:53,670 --> 02:17:51,280
poor guy has really had it for Leslie

3196
02:17:56,340 --> 02:17:53,680
John I really feel kind of bad for him

3197
02:17:57,810 --> 02:17:56,350
boy talk about having to deal with with

3198
02:17:59,940 --> 02:17:57,820
something you know that you have

3199
02:18:02,400 --> 02:17:59,950
absolutely no control with and you're

3200
02:18:04,710 --> 02:18:02,410
totally in reaction mode let me take it

3201
02:18:06,750 --> 02:18:04,720
one step further on that stage and this

3202
02:18:08,310 --> 02:18:06,760
was the best-informed most emotional

3203
02:18:10,740 --> 02:18:08,320
audience I think I've ever spoken before

3204
02:18:13,290 --> 02:18:10,750
in my life we had close to 400 people

3205
02:18:15,570 --> 02:18:13,300
most of them local from Suffolk who had

3206
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:15,580
grown up with this with the major story

3207
02:18:20,340 --> 02:18:18,130
of their life or half a dozen civilian

3208
02:18:21,960 --> 02:18:20,350
witnesses in the audience from 30 years

3209
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:21,970
before handful of foreign military

3210
02:18:25,710 --> 02:18:24,160
people they knew the story as well as

3211
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,720
they could backwards and forwards and

3212
02:18:29,610 --> 02:18:28,000
they were irate at Jim when he made this

3213
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:29,620
announcement why did you wait all these

3214
02:18:36,170 --> 02:18:34,240
years etc and when John Burroughs I'll

3215
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:36,180
tell you I mean I will never forget this

3216
02:18:39,720 --> 02:18:37,810
question John

3217
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:39,730
is it true as I've heard that when you

3218
02:18:43,650 --> 02:18:42,160
came upon the object in the woods you

3219
02:18:44,910 --> 02:18:43,660
pulled your service weapon and went into

3220
02:18:47,550 --> 02:18:44,920
a two-handed stance

3221
02:18:49,740 --> 02:18:47,560
John I'm not sure I'm not sure if it

3222
02:18:52,530 --> 02:18:49,750
really happened or it's an implanted

3223
02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:52,540
memory John I've heard that you jumped

3224
02:18:56,700 --> 02:18:53,890
on the thing and it went like 10 meters

3225
02:19:00,480 --> 02:18:56,710
with you on it is that true John I'm

3226
02:19:02,940 --> 02:19:00,490
just not sure I it may have happened but

3227
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:02,950
I don't I can't say for sure John were

3228
02:19:08,670 --> 02:19:05,770
you abducted I don't know for anybody

3229
02:19:11,130 --> 02:19:08,680
who has ever seen the clips that both of

3230
02:19:13,470 --> 02:19:11,140
these guys have courageously allowed to

3231
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:13,480
be shown at such conferences and Linda

3232
02:19:18,750 --> 02:19:15,330
has done I think a wonderful job in her

3233
02:19:21,690 --> 02:19:18,760
presentations right in her conversation

3234
02:19:23,610 --> 02:19:21,700
with John is on dialogues and disclosure

3235
02:19:26,190 --> 02:19:23,620
Rebecca

3236
02:19:30,060 --> 02:19:26,200
I'll digress one other place on June

3237
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:30,070
21st 2009 we had episode the power Kass

3238
02:19:35,430 --> 02:19:33,130
with Peter and John burrows and John

3239
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:35,440
burrows was seated about five feet from

3240
02:19:39,959 --> 02:19:37,599
me when we did that recording okay well

3241
02:19:42,270 --> 02:19:39,969
there you know and John I mean you he's

3242
02:19:44,730 --> 02:19:42,280
a to say he's a big guy as a joke it's

3243
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,740
like saying I'm a short guy which I am

3244
02:19:48,330 --> 02:19:46,719
John has got to be watch six five or

3245
02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:48,340
something like he's one of the few

3246
02:19:54,030 --> 02:19:50,470
people who tell who's ever made a window

3247
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:54,040
look diminutive yes exactly and John I

3248
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:55,930
mean you know he looks haunted to me I

3249
02:20:00,810 --> 02:19:57,850
again my heart really goes out for the

3250
02:20:03,210 --> 02:20:00,820
guy he's had like Larry and like Jim as

3251
02:20:05,550 --> 02:20:03,220
I understand it and other men who I have

3252
02:20:07,170 --> 02:20:05,560
been in touch with whose have not given

3253
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,180
me permission to use their names but

3254
02:20:11,070 --> 02:20:08,800
I've certainly established were involved

3255
02:20:14,430 --> 02:20:11,080
anomalous associated health problems

3256
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:14,440
this burned the retinas of Larry's eyes

3257
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:17,050
and the Air Force medical forms to back

3258
02:20:21,630 --> 02:20:18,880
that up or included in the book this is

3259
02:20:24,450 --> 02:20:21,640
not theoretical these guys have been

3260
02:20:27,530 --> 02:20:24,460
through the mill but to watch John this

3261
02:20:31,350 --> 02:20:27,540
big guy in hypnotic regression with his

3262
02:20:34,860 --> 02:20:31,360
therapist trying to just draw away that

3263
02:20:36,690 --> 02:20:34,870
last veil so to say he is terrified and

3264
02:20:40,261 --> 02:20:36,700
whatever happened there it was

3265
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:40,271
absolutely um well life-changing very

3266
02:20:45,780 --> 02:20:42,010
frightening very frightening indeed you

3267
02:20:48,540 --> 02:20:45,790
bet so again I we would need a ruffle

3268
02:20:51,360 --> 02:20:48,550
show I guess there are what do you think

3269
02:20:53,550 --> 02:20:51,370
the binary code I I mean what what's up

3270
02:20:57,560 --> 02:20:53,560
I don't I don't know what to think about

3271
02:21:02,820 --> 02:20:57,570
it I I just hope to god that it pans out

3272
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:02,830
in reality and in the public you know in

3273
02:21:07,380 --> 02:21:04,690
the public do you want that this is

3274
02:21:09,930 --> 02:21:07,390
going to put you know a very dark shadow

3275
02:21:12,330 --> 02:21:09,940
on the whole case which is a one of one

3276
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:12,340
of the standout you know bedrock cases

3277
02:21:18,420 --> 02:21:15,310
in ufology you know it kind of you know

3278
02:21:20,310 --> 02:21:18,430
I you know I don't want to belittle the

3279
02:21:24,930 --> 02:21:20,320
Rendlesham case by mentioning Stan

3280
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:24,940
Romanick and his pose formula but it

3281
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:28,050
just it it seems to me that it's just

3282
02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:30,850
giving a huge tanker full of gasoline

3283
02:21:35,850 --> 02:21:33,970
for for the naysayers and the debunkers

3284
02:21:37,020 --> 02:21:35,860
the different state that worst thing

3285
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:37,030
that could happen if it

3286
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,280
and through while I was going to say I I

3287
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:41,920
certainly will not prejudge it I'm

3288
02:21:47,700 --> 02:21:44,470
following the story as well as I can

3289
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:47,710
I wished him well I hope that this is

3290
02:21:52,770 --> 02:21:50,410
something that can be established in

3291
02:21:57,180 --> 02:21:52,780
scientific terms and no on certain terms

3292
02:22:00,150 --> 02:21:57,190
but the potential to hurt perception of

3293
02:22:03,060 --> 02:22:00,160
the larger picture would be there for

3294
02:22:05,190 --> 02:22:03,070
sure if somebody or individuals are able

3295
02:22:09,690 --> 02:22:05,200
to establish that it is not credible in

3296
02:22:11,070 --> 02:22:09,700
a way that we all accept and raises so

3297
02:22:13,050 --> 02:22:11,080
many issues and we don't have much time

3298
02:22:15,240 --> 02:22:13,060
to get into more of it but we'll try to

3299
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:15,250
explore this in more detail in the final

3300
02:22:20,010 --> 02:22:18,160
segment we have Peter Robbins the

3301
02:22:23,690 --> 02:22:20,020
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in America

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3408
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you are listening to the parrot game

3409
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the gold-standard a paranormal radio

3410
02:26:55,501 --> 02:26:52,480
with gene and Chris talking to Peter

3411
02:26:58,020 --> 02:26:55,511
Robbins on the pyro test Chris any more

3412
02:27:01,140 --> 02:26:58,030
questions about Rendlesham we should go

3413
02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:01,150
into well we have a comment by Gerry

3414
02:27:07,020 --> 02:27:04,240
Brett who is in Alberta Canada

3415
02:27:09,781 --> 02:27:07,030
he's a fairly recent sign up on the

3416
02:27:11,791 --> 02:27:09,791
forums and he says I agree with on the

3417
02:27:15,091 --> 02:27:11,801
frets who I asked the previous questions

3418
02:27:18,151 --> 02:27:15,101
about the binary code when I saw his pad

3419
02:27:20,911 --> 02:27:18,161
because oh and I'm notepad scratchings

3420
02:27:23,850 --> 02:27:20,921
page after page I began to wonder if his

3421
02:27:27,060 --> 02:27:23,860
credibility or sources aliens

3422
02:27:29,341 --> 02:27:27,070
credibility as a possible follow-up when

3423
02:27:31,501 --> 02:27:29,351
was mr. Robb is aware of these notes and

3424
02:27:33,511 --> 02:27:31,511
you think that there was any reason or

3425
02:27:36,930 --> 02:27:33,521
basis for this information to be given

3426
02:27:40,470 --> 02:27:36,940
to Penniston as it well he says useless

3427
02:27:41,701 --> 02:27:40,480
I say it appears to be useless without

3428
02:27:44,701 --> 02:27:41,711
knowing what it means

3429
02:27:46,831 --> 02:27:44,711
of course if on differences question is

3430
02:27:49,591 --> 02:27:46,841
answered by yet they are turning into

3431
02:27:52,531 --> 02:27:49,601
crackpot my question is moot

3432
02:27:54,871 --> 02:27:52,541
now you know this is a follow-up

3433
02:27:56,941 --> 02:27:54,881
question but I think you stated that

3434
02:27:58,770 --> 02:27:56,951
that when they prickly when he presented

3435
02:28:01,350 --> 02:27:58,780
this information at the conference I

3436
02:28:03,390 --> 02:28:01,360
think he said in Kansas that was no no

3437
02:28:05,461 --> 02:28:03,400
that was when I I was on the same deal

3438
02:28:07,350 --> 02:28:05,471
with Charles Hall no this was in in

3439
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England in December over in England her

3440
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straight go do you know about this

3441
02:28:15,951 --> 02:28:12,701
beforehand or whoa not only didn't I

3442
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know but I can say it like you were as

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gobsmacked as it says everybody else in

3444
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the audience totally and completely I

3445
02:28:27,241 --> 02:28:24,371
learned about the basics or was being

3446
02:28:29,701 --> 02:28:27,251
discussed in our two hours before the

3447
02:28:30,961 --> 02:28:29,711
conference started by them but I will

3448
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tell you you know it's one of those

3449
02:28:37,770 --> 02:28:35,081
times where your question asked me when

3450
02:28:42,211 --> 02:28:37,780
I learned I learned about it late in the

3451
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afternoon of December 28th 2010 in the

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Woodbridge community Hall in Suffolk

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02:28:50,071 --> 02:28:47,621
East Anglia and and was lonely taken

3454
02:28:51,571 --> 02:28:50,081
aback completely taken aback what to

3455
02:28:53,911 --> 02:28:51,581
think of it I still don't frankly I

3456
02:28:57,361 --> 02:28:53,921
again I hope I wish him the best and I

3457
02:28:58,769 --> 02:28:57,371
hope it pans out okay yeah and I think I

3458
02:29:00,239 --> 02:28:58,779
can speak regime for

3459
02:29:03,300 --> 02:29:00,249
Jane and say yeah I agree with you on

3460
02:29:05,489 --> 02:29:03,310
that one okay you know getting back to

3461
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:05,499
we're talking about where we're going to

3462
02:29:11,550 --> 02:29:08,409
go in the field of abduction research

3463
02:29:15,029 --> 02:29:11,560
now that you know the you know the

3464
02:29:15,599 --> 02:29:15,039
pillar is gone I mean yeah buds not here

3465
02:29:17,130 --> 02:29:15,609
anymore

3466
02:29:19,229 --> 02:29:17,140
you mentioned that there are a few

3467
02:29:21,389 --> 02:29:19,239
people out there that you think may be

3468
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:21,399
motivated enough to pick up the reins

3469
02:29:25,949 --> 02:29:24,399
but instead of focusing maybe on who's

3470
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:25,959
going to be taking the field forward

3471
02:29:31,619 --> 02:29:28,479
let's look at some of the things that we

3472
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:31,629
may have learned from the state of

3473
02:29:35,880 --> 02:29:33,369
abduction research at this point and

3474
02:29:38,969 --> 02:29:35,890
looking at some of the the you know

3475
02:29:41,399 --> 02:29:38,979
criticisms and and other things the the

3476
02:29:43,979 --> 02:29:41,409
things that take a huge body of work and

3477
02:29:47,460 --> 02:29:43,989
and try to make it inconsequential

3478
02:29:49,500 --> 02:29:47,470
how are the new wave of abduction

3479
02:29:53,479 --> 02:29:49,510
research is going to you know get over

3480
02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:53,489
that deep bunker and and nasty skeptic

3481
02:29:58,199 --> 02:29:56,409
sort of hurdle I mean what lessons have

3482
02:30:02,460 --> 02:29:58,209
we learned what do you think that they

3483
02:30:05,010 --> 02:30:02,470
need to really incorporate or or discard

3484
02:30:07,019 --> 02:30:05,020
in the process to move this whole field

3485
02:30:11,159 --> 02:30:07,029
forward well good question I think

3486
02:30:12,899 --> 02:30:11,169
number one anybody that is involved in

3487
02:30:15,210 --> 02:30:12,909
this work has to hold themselves to the

3488
02:30:18,179 --> 02:30:15,220
highest standards possible because there

3489
02:30:21,630 --> 02:30:18,189
is no governing board or you know

3490
02:30:25,500 --> 02:30:21,640
academic oversight committee let's face

3491
02:30:28,349 --> 02:30:25,510
it in order to qualify to be a ufologist

3492
02:30:30,210 --> 02:30:28,359
I believe the procedure is you touch

3493
02:30:32,489 --> 02:30:30,220
your figure they will rule we all know

3494
02:30:34,170 --> 02:30:32,499
that and this is a subject that comes up

3495
02:30:35,939 --> 02:30:34,180
almost every other week here on the show

3496
02:30:38,489 --> 02:30:35,949
I mean they got to be proactive

3497
02:30:39,869 --> 02:30:38,499
obviously they've got to be quick on the

3498
02:30:42,090 --> 02:30:39,879
feet they have to learn from their

3499
02:30:44,279 --> 02:30:42,100
mistakes yes you think that they should

3500
02:30:47,130 --> 02:30:44,289
be public about this show to be totally

3501
02:30:49,619 --> 02:30:47,140
behind the scene I mean let's cut to the

3502
02:30:51,899 --> 02:30:49,629
chase and all us well I think number one

3503
02:30:54,899 --> 02:30:51,909
when you make an error and you are

3504
02:30:57,899 --> 02:30:54,909
called on it it is incumbent on you not

3505
02:31:00,119 --> 02:30:57,909
to do what the current crop politicians

3506
02:31:01,649 --> 02:31:00,129
often do and just tough it out and you

3507
02:31:05,130 --> 02:31:01,659
know it's a mark of a man never saying

3508
02:31:07,800 --> 02:31:05,140
you're wrong so in Bognor right two

3509
02:31:10,289 --> 02:31:07,810
years ago I was you know what it was on

3510
02:31:12,541 --> 02:31:10,299
your show with John Burroughs okay

3511
02:31:14,520 --> 02:31:12,551
you were guys were thrown question

3512
02:31:15,871 --> 02:31:14,530
at me about left to be skating I'm

3513
02:31:18,180 --> 02:31:15,881
trying to remember back to what I wrote

3514
02:31:20,371 --> 02:31:18,190
20 years before and what I said

3515
02:31:23,730 --> 02:31:20,381
going back to Jenny Randall's was Jenny

3516
02:31:25,381 --> 02:31:23,740
had sold that document the Hult document

3517
02:31:27,180 --> 02:31:25,391
to the news of the world gotten a couple

3518
02:31:30,631 --> 02:31:27,190
of thousand pounds and that's how the

3519
02:31:33,451 --> 02:31:30,641
story broke shortly after that I heard

3520
02:31:36,421 --> 02:31:33,461
from Jenny who made it well through it

3521
02:31:39,150 --> 02:31:36,431
was I think through you one way or the

3522
02:31:40,741 --> 02:31:39,160
other and you write exactly we heard

3523
02:31:42,751 --> 02:31:40,751
from Jenny and then we board is that

3524
02:31:45,121 --> 02:31:42,761
message to you and you forwarded an

3525
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:45,131
email to me what you had written on the

3526
02:31:49,470 --> 02:31:47,200
top of it was I think quote-unquote what

3527
02:31:51,331 --> 02:31:49,480
are you going to do about this and the

3528
02:31:55,951 --> 02:31:51,341
letter from Jenny was appropriately

3529
02:31:57,690 --> 02:31:55,961
irate it was how Harris I'll think of

3530
02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:57,700
his first thing but it was a barrister

3531
02:32:01,621 --> 02:32:00,160
named Harry Harris yes who was a

3532
02:32:04,381 --> 02:32:01,631
colleague of hers who she gave a

3533
02:32:05,730 --> 02:32:04,391
courtesy copy to and he was the one who

3534
02:32:08,041 --> 02:32:05,740
sold it to the news of the world and I

3535
02:32:11,671 --> 02:32:08,051
went back to London 8 and I looked it up

3536
02:32:13,801 --> 02:32:11,681
as oh no well what I did was I

3537
02:32:15,900 --> 02:32:13,811
immediately emailed Jenny and I

3538
02:32:18,900 --> 02:32:15,910
apologized to her personally and then I

3539
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:18,910
told her that for the next I think four

3540
02:32:23,430 --> 02:32:21,370
or five months every time I did a radio

3541
02:32:25,591 --> 02:32:23,440
show and every public talk that I was

3542
02:32:28,261 --> 02:32:25,601
doing and it was I was packed with

3543
02:32:31,440 --> 02:32:28,271
interviews in that half year and and and

3544
02:32:33,780 --> 02:32:31,450
conferences and talks I would begin by

3545
02:32:36,690 --> 02:32:33,790
apologizing to her and saying the

3546
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:36,700
specifics of how I had screwed up that

3547
02:32:40,921 --> 02:32:38,530
is what you can do to begin with and

3548
02:32:43,140 --> 02:32:40,931
I'll tell you yeah copy do I you know

3549
02:32:46,261 --> 02:32:43,150
with hoax but I one of two hoaxes in

3550
02:32:48,060 --> 02:32:46,271
almost 20 years of field investigation

3551
02:32:51,060 --> 02:32:48,070
I was host for the Crystal Skull in the

3552
02:32:53,310 --> 02:32:51,070
San Luis Valley I have to cop up to that

3553
02:32:55,350 --> 02:32:53,320
too I mean I never fully bought into it

3554
02:32:57,451 --> 02:32:55,360
and I made sure that I found out where

3555
02:32:59,310 --> 02:32:57,461
that thing really came from but but yeah

3556
02:33:01,741 --> 02:32:59,320
that's an important point you got a few

3557
02:33:02,791 --> 02:33:01,751
times in hazel mistakes but we're

3558
02:33:05,430 --> 02:33:02,801
talking about your mountings

3559
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:05,440
up-and-coming hip and better and

3560
02:33:09,331 --> 02:33:07,120
research is here that's something to

3561
02:33:12,871 --> 02:33:09,341
always keep in mind but what protocols

3562
02:33:15,030 --> 02:33:12,881
what approach is what I went again quite

3563
02:33:18,690 --> 02:33:15,040
frankly by and I'm not kidding here I

3564
02:33:22,921 --> 02:33:18,700
would either begin to read or study

3565
02:33:26,370 --> 02:33:22,931
ethics and proper scientific protocols

3566
02:33:28,590 --> 02:33:26,380
I'm not kidding I would no I

3567
02:33:32,340 --> 02:33:28,600
agree with you there and establish a

3568
02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:32,350
very strict personal code of ethics that

3569
02:33:38,310 --> 02:33:35,170
you can be held to to learn something

3570
02:33:41,490 --> 02:33:38,320
about classical scientific methodology

3571
02:33:44,880 --> 02:33:41,500
for me we Peter here's a suggestion how

3572
02:33:48,120 --> 02:33:44,890
about if they comb the woodwork and find

3573
02:33:51,150 --> 02:33:48,130
a young open-minded psychologist you

3574
02:33:53,460 --> 02:33:51,160
know a professional doctor to dovetail

3575
02:33:56,929 --> 02:33:53,470
their investigative protocol and

3576
02:33:59,160 --> 02:33:56,939
analysis of their cases her crew a

3577
02:34:02,460 --> 02:33:59,170
legitimate you know in terms of the eyes

3578
02:34:06,420 --> 02:34:02,470
of the status quo a legitimate doctor in

3579
02:34:08,429 --> 02:34:06,430
in the field of study into that that's

3580
02:34:11,219 --> 02:34:08,439
even a viable approach is that a pipe

3581
02:34:14,460 --> 02:34:11,229
dream no not at all in fact among my

3582
02:34:18,060 --> 02:34:14,470
circle of colleagues and advisors if you

3583
02:34:21,270 --> 02:34:18,070
will is a distinguished professor of

3584
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:21,280
anthropology in western New York at a

3585
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:23,200
college there and but that's you know

3586
02:34:27,690 --> 02:34:24,310
we're talking about the young

3587
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:27,700
up-and-coming well out and and women are

3588
02:34:33,210 --> 02:34:30,250
gonna be taking this thing well an

3589
02:34:35,250 --> 02:34:33,220
academic I'm I have I live just outside

3590
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:35,260
of Ithaca New York most famous for

3591
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:37,930
Cornell University there's a professor

3592
02:34:44,730 --> 02:34:41,770
of sociology who took my work so

3593
02:34:46,320 --> 02:34:44,740
seriously that he kind of bypassed

3594
02:34:48,719 --> 02:34:46,330
Cornell policy because they don't like

3595
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:48,729
hiring Flying Saucer speakers here at

3596
02:34:56,429 --> 02:34:52,810
this approach how does the young person

3597
02:34:58,800 --> 02:34:56,439
approach you start with a teacher who

3598
02:35:01,290 --> 02:34:58,810
you like and admired how do you how do

3599
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:01,300
you approach somebody in that potential

3600
02:35:07,530 --> 02:35:04,960
position even even entertaining that

3601
02:35:10,679 --> 02:35:07,540
that is a possibility you're questioning

3602
02:35:13,050 --> 02:35:10,689
it I'm trying to help there we need to I

3603
02:35:15,179 --> 02:35:13,060
think abduction research is going to

3604
02:35:17,490 --> 02:35:15,189
come to a real screeching halt here and

3605
02:35:19,679 --> 02:35:17,500
you know also the show is going to come

3606
02:35:21,690 --> 02:35:19,689
to a screeching halt and I think this is

3607
02:35:23,880 --> 02:35:21,700
an ongoing discussion because in the

3608
02:35:28,500 --> 02:35:23,890
very near future we're going you'll pay

3609
02:35:29,070 --> 02:35:28,510
me just as much as this show yeah okay

3610
02:35:31,350 --> 02:35:29,080
there we go

3611
02:35:33,630 --> 02:35:31,360
Chris is right on the check right now

3612
02:35:35,460 --> 02:35:33,640
it's written on I'm starting to hold my

3613
02:35:37,770 --> 02:35:35,470
breath right well it's written on that

3614
02:35:39,360 --> 02:35:37,780
new bank called we bounce faster and

3615
02:35:41,340 --> 02:35:39,370
we'll let you know about that later

3616
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:41,350
please I know it'll be in the mail for a

3617
02:35:45,780 --> 02:35:43,930
while and Peter where can i listeners

3618
02:35:48,060 --> 02:35:45,790
find more of the things you do well

3619
02:35:50,370 --> 02:35:48,070
right now I would say what was laughing

3620
02:35:52,140 --> 02:35:50,380
neatly my website is under construction

3621
02:35:54,600 --> 02:35:52,150
but you can go to peter robbins

3622
02:35:56,970 --> 02:35:54,610
information comm hopefully we will have

3623
02:36:00,240 --> 02:35:56,980
something a lot more dynamic and new for

3624
02:36:02,190 --> 02:36:00,250
you soon and otherwise you guys have my

3625
02:36:03,690 --> 02:36:02,200
email address if people want to contact

3626
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:03,700
me i'm not gonna give it on the air but

3627
02:36:08,490 --> 02:36:05,920
if they contact you they are welcome to

3628
02:36:10,261 --> 02:36:08,500
write to me i'm on facebook i try to

3629
02:36:12,780 --> 02:36:10,271
respond to every request for information

3630
02:36:15,511 --> 02:36:12,790
or contact that I get sometimes I do

3631
02:36:18,270 --> 02:36:15,521
fall way behind but I'm a public person

3632
02:36:19,410 --> 02:36:18,280
and you know I'm out here we can find

3633
02:36:22,410 --> 02:36:19,420
you if we want to find you

3634
02:36:24,930 --> 02:36:22,420
where'd we find Chris O'Brien well I'm a

3635
02:36:28,500 --> 02:36:24,940
member of the the Peter Robbins fan club

3636
02:36:30,540 --> 02:36:28,510
right now I really Peter I think he

3637
02:36:34,860 --> 02:36:30,550
should be a reoccurring guest here a lot

3638
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:34,870
more on I enjoy this show so much and

3639
02:36:39,450 --> 02:36:37,210
we've only started to fileted you can

3640
02:36:42,480 --> 02:36:39,460
find what I do gain at our strange

3641
02:36:45,870 --> 02:36:42,490
planet calm and a special thank you from

3642
02:36:47,610 --> 02:36:45,880
gene and Chris to Peter Robbins thanks

3643
02:36:49,801 --> 02:36:47,620
for joining us this week on the para

3644
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:49,811
cast it's been a pleasure being on the

3645
02:36:53,730 --> 02:36:51,760
show and I'll be glad to return at any

3646
02:36:57,820 --> 02:36:53,740
time we can get to it that works for a

3647
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:01,070
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3648
02:37:05,961 --> 02:37:02,880
and Christopher o'brien

3649
02:37:09,770 --> 02:37:05,971
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3650
02:37:13,730 --> 02:37:09,780
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